Can Quantum Systems Transport Information Without Altering It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the transport of information in quantum systems, particularly the challenges of doing so without altering the information itself. Participants explore concepts related to quantum communication, the implications of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), and the security of information transfer in the presence of potential eavesdroppers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how information can be transported in quantum systems without being altered, referencing the HUP and the inherent changes that occur during handling.
  • Another participant suggests that the probabilistic nature of quantum processes allows for secure information transport, where incorrect measurements by an eavesdropper can be detected without revealing the content.
  • There is a discussion about the 50/50 chance of an eavesdropper measuring correctly, which raises questions about the reliability of the information being transmitted.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that if an eavesdropper makes a wrong choice, it could render the communication between the intended parties useless, highlighting the importance of secrecy and speed in quantum communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of eavesdropping and the effectiveness of quantum communication methods. There is no consensus on how to ensure information remains unaltered during transport, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between security and the potential for interference.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and the HUP, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or limitations inherent in these concepts. The implications of eavesdropping and the conditions under which information can be considered secure are also not fully explored.

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In quantum systems/domain, the transporting of information from two locations, say A to B is the basis of all quantum connective logistic processes.

What process, is available for the transport of information, without altering the information, surely if your moving information, you are 'handling' it, if you are 'handling' it, according to the HUP, you have changed it by default?.. then what certainty level is there for the information to be transported, and be unaltered?

Or in another way, how can Quantum Systems interact with information, without changing the information content?
 
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Spin_Network said:
In quantum systems/domain, the transporting of information from two locations, say A to B is the basis of all quantum connective logistic processes.

What process, is available for the transport of information, without altering the information, surely if your moving information, you are 'handling' it, if you are 'handling' it, according to the HUP, you have changed it by default?.. then what certainty level is there for the information to be transported, and be unaltered?

Well, in stead of repeating myself, i suggest you read the "faster then light communication"-entry of my journal : https://www.physicsforums.com/journal.php?s=&action=view&journalid=13790&perpage=10&page=6

Or in another way, how can Quantum Systems interact with information, without changing the information content?
The fact that this way of transporting info is perfectly secure has to do with the probabilistic nature of the processes at hand. If an eavesdropper measures a qubit incorrectly , it's content will change and that can be detected without actually revealing the content itself. If the eavesdropper measures correctly (to which he has a 50% change : which is at random because there are only two options) then still, he will have a 50/50% change that his actual result is the correct one out of two possibilities. You got to compare it with this : you need to measure a spin along some axis. There are two possible outcomes (up,down) but you also need to measure along the correct axis (x or y axis). The latter part is what i mean with 'measuring correctly'. If you measured along the correct axis, then still there is a 50/50% chance that you measured the correct spin value (up or down)

All of this is also in the entry

regards
marlon
 
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marlon said:
Well, in stead of repeating myself, i suggest you read the "faster then light communication"-entry of my journal : https://www.physicsforums.com/journal.php?s=&action=view&journalid=13790&perpage=10&page=6


The fact that this way of transporting info is perfectly secure has to do with the probabilistic nature of the processes at hand. If an eavesdropper measures a qubit incorrectly , it's content will change and that can be detected without actually revealing the content itself. If the eavesdropper measures correctly (to which he has a 50% change : which is at random because there are only two options) then still, he will have a 50/50% change that his actual result is the correct one out of two possibilities. You got to compare it with this : you need to measure a spin along some axis. There are two possible outcomes (up,down) but you also need to measure along the correct axis (x or y axis). The latter part is what i mean with 'measuring correctly'. If you measured along the correct axis, then still there is a 50/50% chance that you measured the correct spin value (up or down)

All of this is also in the entry

regards
marlon

I see, so if I interxept the information more than 'once' from A to B, then I still have a 50-50 chance of being either correct or incorrect>?..the only Random paramiter, seems to be either 1 or 0..which is the same as Yes or No..Correct or Incorrect..Up or Down..Left or Right.. Vertical or Horizontal..Black or White...Ad-Infinitum...

A definite Maybe if ever I heard one!..I am going to have to enquire into David Deutch lectures once again, thanks anyway.
 
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With regard to the Eavesdropping 'paradox'..if the information between Bob and Alice is of the utmost urgency, and let's face it if one is conducting information correspondence, then secrecy and speed is name of the game, then the advantage of Eve, can render the system useless, just by making the obvious WRONG choice, Eve will render the correspondence between Alice And Bob USELESS, by fact that Alice and Bob would KNOW that there is Eavesdropping occurring, and cannot continue with any confidence.

The 'Confidence Trickster' will always have the upper hand!..a good name for such a Third_Person would be...Harry?
 

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