Astronomers Unveil Star Size Limit: What Does it Mean for Cores?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a newly announced size limit for stars and its potential effects on star cores and star formation processes. Participants explore the conditions under which stars form, particularly focusing on metallicity and the behavior of gas clouds during collapse.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the newly announced size limit for stars likely applies only to stars formed recently, while early stars may not be constrained by such limits due to different behaviors of low-metallicity gas during collapse.
  • There is speculation about an unknown force, possibly powerful magnetic fields, that triggers star formation from cold gas clouds.
  • One participant notes that the implications of the size limit mostly concern the process of star formation rather than the cores of stars themselves.
  • Another participant references various theories and observational evidence suggesting that metallicity influences the average and maximum mass of stars during formation.
  • Some participants discuss the historical context of star discovery and clarify that certain mentioned objects are not stars but Kuiper Belt objects.
  • There are references to disturbances in the interstellar medium, such as galactic mergers and supernova shock waves, as triggers for star formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of the star size limit and the factors influencing star formation. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the specifics of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the exact mechanisms behind star formation and the role of metallicity, as well as the historical context of star discoveries, which may affect the discussion's scope.

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Astronomers announced that stars have a size limit. What does it say about stars' cores? This is still unknown i'd say.

Btw a new yellow star was discovered outside the solar system. Looks very much like our sun.
 
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Starship said:
Astronomers announced that stars have a size limit.

Note that this likely only applies to stars formed recently. Early stars may not be constrained by such limits, as extremely low-metallicity gas will behave quite differently in the process of collapse.


What does it say about stars' cores?

Nothing that I can think of. It mostly just has implications for the process of star formation; that is, the collapse and fragmentation of the molecular clouds.


Btw a new yellow star was discovered outside the solar system. Looks very much like our sun.

I don't think the star was recently discovered, as it's very nearby. This is a story about the first direct imaging of a planet outside the solar system. It was possible because the planet is so far away from its host star.
 
SpaceTiger said:
Note that this likely only applies to stars formed recently. Early stars may not be constrained by such limits, as extremely low-metallicity gas will behave quite differently in the process of collapse.

Thanks for reply SpaceTiger. It seems there is some unknown force which triggers star formation. Cold gas clouds collapse to form stars. Looks like powerful magnetic fields.

I don't think the star was recently discovered, as it's very nearby. This is a story about the first direct imaging of a planet outside the solar system. It was possible because the planet is so far away from its host star.

I think the star is named SO025300.5+165258 but I'm not sure though. In 2000 eight new stars were discovered, among them are Sedna and Quaoar. There appears to be an Earth-like planet some 50 light years away. It could be part of another solar system.

Regards
 
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Starship said:
Thanks for reply SpaceTiger. It seems there is some unknown force which triggers star formation. Cold gas clouds collapse to form stars. Looks like powerful magnetic fields.

The trigger of star formation probably isn't the issue. It has more to do with the details of the cloud's collapse.


I think the star is named SO025300.5+165258 but I'm not sure though. In 2000 eight new stars were discovered, among them are Sedna and Quaoar.

Those are both Kuiper Belt objects, not stars.
 
Theory and observational evidence suggests metallicity drives down the average and maximum mass during star formation:

On the variation of the Initial Mass Function
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0009005

Evidence for a fundamental stellar upper mass limit from clustered star formation
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310860

Very early [population III] stars, which formed when there was little or no metallicity, could have been truly massive compared to the largest stars we see today:

The First Stars
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0311019

Three Epochs of Star Formation in the High Redshift Universe
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0208447

Unfortunately, there are none of these big fellows near enough for us to get any decent mass measurements. Then again, that really isn't so unfortunate after all. They are thought to be the progenitors of gamma ray bursts. You really would not want any of these things living in your galactic neighborhood.

Star formation is typically triggered by disturbances in the interstellar medium. Galactic merges trigger huge bursts of star formation activity. Shock waves from supernovae are also frequently blamed, as in the case of our very own near and dear sun.
 
AFAIK starbirth is triggered by http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/StarForm.html.
 
Starship said:
AFAIK starbirth is triggered by http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/StarForm.html.

Stars are born inside of GMCs, but the cause of the cloud's collapse is the issue being addressed.
 
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