Determining the Major Component in the HCl + Na2CO3 Reaction

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The discussion revolves around determining the major component in the reaction between hydrochloric acid (HCl) and sodium carbonate (Na2CO3). Participants explore the implications of the reaction products, the role of pH at different points in the titration, and the interpretation of the question posed by the teacher. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and potential ambiguity in the phrasing of the question.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the major component could be water, given the aqueous nature of the reaction.
  • Others argue that sodium chloride (NaCl) is a significant product of the reaction and may be considered the major component.
  • A participant mentions that the solution is basic at the first equivalence point, which complicates the determination of the major component.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of the question, with one participant noting that the wording suggests a focus on "component" rather than "product," which could imply water is the answer.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the constants used in calculations, indicating a potential for confusion in determining the major component.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the question might be a trick, emphasizing the importance of how the question is framed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes the major component, with multiple competing views remaining regarding whether it is water or NaCl. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of the titration and the phrasing of the question.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "major component" and the specific conditions at the methyl orange endpoint. The discussion also highlights the potential for misinterpretation of the question based on its wording.

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I don't undestand this question. How can i determine which will be the major component?

HCl + Na2CO3 - > NaCl + H2O + CO2

Is it water?
 

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You see dominant colors when one color is 10x as concentrated as another, so the general rule is that you see an indicator end point ~1 pH from the pKin value. That means the endpoint is ~4.7 pH (still acidic), and there is still HCl left in solution (this is important)

I would say it's either water or NaCl. This whole thing is aqueous, so water seems like the obvious answer.
For every HCl reacting with any Na2CO3 or NaHCO3, you get NaCl.
Carbonic acid, bicarbonate, and carbonate are all in a weird equilibrium, so none of them can claim 100% the way NaCl can.

The answer the teacher wants is probably NaCl.
 
Remember at the first equivalence point, the solution is basic.

I'm not quite sure about this one at the moment...D seems appealing, since it is the salt that is produced in the reaction between the acid and base.
 
GCT said:
Remember at the first equivalence point, the solution is basic.
But this titration never makes it to the equivalence point.
 
I just hope I haven't mix the constants...

[H+] = 1.322e-9
[Cl-] = 0.0671
[CO3(2-)] = 0.03322
[HCO3(-)] = 7.149e-5
[H2CO3] = 2.028e-11

Water is the only answer that holds. I hate questions where you have to guess what teacher wants to know :(

First equivalence point has pH = 3.92, so not far. pH = 3.7 for the 99.81% titration.


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I think it's a trick question. Look at the wording of it
"which of the following species is the major component of the solution at the methyl orange endpoint"
Notice how it doesn't say product? If it said product, the answer would be NaCl. Since it says component, just say the water. If you answer NaCl and the teacher wants water, you don't have a leg to stand on. If you answer water and he marks it wrong, the teacher doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
ShawnD said:
I think it's a trick question. Look at the wording of it
"which of the following species is the major component of the solution at the methyl orange endpoint"
Notice how it doesn't say product? If it said product, the answer would be NaCl. Since it says component, just say the water. If you answer NaCl and the teacher wants water, you don't have a leg to stand on. If you answer water and he marks it wrong, the teacher doesn't have a leg to stand on.

ROFL, I read the question again and I think you hit the nail on the head ;)
 

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