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The discussion revolves around substitution methods for solving first-order differential equations, particularly those that are neither linear nor separable. Participants seek clarification on how to apply these methods effectively, especially in the context of teaching the concepts to others.

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  • One participant requests a straightforward explanation of substitution methods for first-order differential equations.
  • Another participant questions whether the original poster is referring to separable differential equations.
  • The original poster clarifies that they are interested in equations that are neither linear nor separable.
  • One participant suggests that a specific form of the equation can be made separable and integrable.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how a particular equation can be separated and asks for guidance on working it out.
  • A participant mentions that the homogeneous equation can be solved using Lagrange's method, which is questioned by another participant who finds it too complex for the chapter's level.
  • One participant proposes a substitution of the form \( y^2(x) = u(x) \) as a method for solving the equation.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution \( y = vx \) for a homogeneous equation of degree 2, indicating that this technique should be covered in standard ODE textbooks.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of substitution methods and the complexity of the solutions. There is no consensus on the best approach to take for the specific equations discussed.

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Some participants reference specific methods and substitutions without providing detailed explanations, leading to potential gaps in understanding for those unfamiliar with the techniques mentioned. The discussion also highlights varying levels of familiarity with differential equations among participants.

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Individuals interested in learning about substitution methods for first-order differential equations, particularly those who are beginners or teaching the concepts to others.

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Hi, I'm new to the forum, and new to differential equations. I was wondering if someone could post a no-nonsence explanation of substitution methods for first order differential equations.

Thanks!
 
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I don't know what u may be speaking about.Are u referring to a separable diff.eq.?

[tex]a(x)\frac{dy}{dx}+b(x)f(y)=0[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Sorry if my post was confusing... I meant first order differential equations that are neither linear nor separable.
 
U mean something like that?

[atex] a(x)\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^{k}+b(x)f(y)=c(x) [/tex]

The homegenous equation is separable.Therefore integrable.

Daniel.
 
I mean one like this:
 

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The homogenous equation is separable.

Daniel.
 
I guess that's what I don't understand. How is it separable? I've been working on this for an hour, and I can't separate the variables. Could you show me how to work it out?

I really want to understand this, because I have to teach the concept of substitution methods to the rest of my class in a few weeks. My book says that this equation is not separable, and that the homogenous equation is only separable via substitution. And that's all it says.
 
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The homogenous equation is

[tex]2xy\frac{dy}{dx}=3y^{2}[/tex]

Since [itex]y\neq 0[/itex]

,u get

[tex]2x\frac{dy}{dx}=3y[/tex]

,separate variables & integrate to get

[tex]y_{hom}(x)=Cx^{3/2}[/tex]

Now,apply Lagrange's method to find the particular solution of the nonhomogenous one.

Daniel.
 
I'm sorry, what's Lagrange's method? Its not in my book. I don't think its supposed to be that complicated of a solution, this is chapter 1 ODE stuff. There is no way to solve this problem by substitution?
 
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Yes it can,make the substitution

[tex]y^{2}(x)=u(x)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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What happened to 4x^2?
 
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It's there in the RHS,that substitution simplifies the integration of the ODE...



Daniel.
 
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eightlgddj said:
I mean one like this:

That equation is homogeneous of degree 2. Thus, you can make a substitution y=vx, and then separate variables. Your ODE book should have this technique as a separate section at the beginning unless you have one of those "qualitative books" like Devaney's. I'm old-school.
 
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saltydog said:
That equation is homogeneous of degree 2. Thus, you can make a substitution y=vx, and then separate variables. Your ODE book should have this technique as a separate section at the beginning unless you have one of those "qualitative books" like Devaney's. I'm old-school.

Thanks! Thats the substitution I came up with, I must have made a mistake after that point.
 

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