How Do You Solve These Trigonometric Identities and Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving various trigonometric identities and equations, including logarithmic identities and quadratic forms involving sine and cosine functions. Participants explore different approaches to rewriting and solving these equations, as well as clarifying the original problems presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a trigonometric identity involving logarithms: ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| + ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| = 0, seeking help with it.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the first identity for clarity and proposes using trigonometric identities to transform the second equation into a quadratic form in terms of sine.
  • A later reply corrects the first identity to ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| + ln|sec(theta) - tan(theta)| = 0, indicating the use of absolute values.
  • One participant simplifies the corrected identity to ln(1) = 0, asserting it as resolved.
  • Another participant expresses frustration over the clarity of the original equations, suggesting they are nonsensical and emphasizing the importance of accurate transcription.
  • Further discussions involve solving the second equation, 4sin²(x) + 2cos²(x) = 3, by substituting cos²(x) with 1 - sin²(x) and transforming it into a quadratic equation.
  • Participants explore the implications of disregarding certain solutions, such as cos(x) = 2, and discuss the relevance of real versus complex solutions.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to consider both sine and cosine solutions to determine the correct quadrants for the solutions.
  • Another participant argues that the original equations do not restrict the domains of the functions, suggesting that solutions should be sought in the real numbers.
  • Discussions also touch on the range of functions and the implications for the number of solutions, with some proposing infinite solutions depending on the range considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and correctness of the original equations, with some agreeing on the transformations and solutions while others contest the initial formulations and the need for precise transcription. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problems presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the original equations lack restrictions on the domains of the functions involved, which may affect the solutions sought. There is also mention of the potential for infinite solutions depending on the range of the functions.

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how can i do this trig identity

ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta| + ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| = 0

and this trig equation
4sin(squared)x + 2cos(squared)x = 3

and cos2(theta) + 3 = 5cos(theta)


any help will be appreciated
 
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Rewrite the first.It doesn't make any sense.

For the second,use [itex]\cos^{2}x=1-\sin^{2}x[/itex] for transform it into a quadratic in "sin x".

For the third,use [itex]\cos 2x=2\cos^{2}x-1 [/tex] to transform it into a quadratic in "cos x".<br /> <br /> Daniel.[/itex]
 
ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| + ln|sec(theta) - tan(theta)| = 0

| (line) is absolute value
 
There's no big deal

[tex]\ln\left|\sec\theta+\tan\theta\right|+\ln\left|\sec\theta-\tan\theta\right|=\ln|\sec^{2}\theta-\tan^{2}\theta|=\ln 1 =0[/tex]

Q.e.d.

Daniel.
 
needhelp123 said:
how can i do this trig identity

ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta| + ln|sec(theta) + tan(theta)| = 0

and this trig equation
4sin(squared)x + 2cos(squared)x = 3

and cos2(theta) + 3 = 5cos(theta)


any help will be appreciated

Every one of those equations is nonsense. Sure you need help, you need help to transcribe your questions accurately. You are doomed to failure in any problem if you can't even write the problem description properly.

BTW. Congrats to dextercioby for figuring out what you actually meant to write in at least one of those problems.
 
Practical Practice...


Trig identity confirmed:
[tex]\boxed{\ln\left|\sec\theta+\tan\theta\right|+\ln\left|\sec\theta-\tan\theta\right|=\ln|\sec^{2}\theta-\tan^{2}\theta|=\ln 1 =0}[/tex]

[tex]4 \sin^2 x + 2 \cos^2 x = 3[/tex]
[tex]\cos^2 x = 1 - \sin^2 x[/tex] - identity
[tex]4 \sin^2 x + 2(1 - \sin^2 x) - 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex]4 \sin^2 x + 2 - 2 \sin^2 x - 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex]4 \sin^2 x - 2 \sin^2 x - 1 = 0[/tex]
[tex]2 \sin^2 x - 1 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\sin^2 x = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{\sin x = \pm \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}}[/tex]
:biggrin:

[tex]\cos 2x + 3 = 5 \cos x[/tex]
[tex]\cos 2x - 5 \cos x + 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\cos 2x = 2 \cos^2 x - 1 [/itex] - identity <br /> [tex](2 \cos^2 x - 1) - 5 \cos x + 3 = 0[/tex]<br /> [tex]2 \cos^2 x - 5 \cos x + 2 = 0[/tex]<br /> [tex]a = 2 \; \; b = -5 \; \; c = 2[/tex]<br /> [tex]\cos x = \frac{-(-5) \pm \sqrt{(-5)^2 - 4(2)(2)}}{2(2)}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\cos x = \frac{5 \pm \sqrt{9}}{4}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\cos x = \frac{5 \pm 3}{4}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\boxed{\cos x = \frac{1}{2}}[/tex]<br /> [tex]\cos x = 2 \; \; \text{(no solution)}[/tex] <br /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":biggrin:" title="Big Grin :biggrin:" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":biggrin:" /><br /> [/color][/tex]
 
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U have to disregard [itex]\cos x=2[/itex],okay?

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
U have to disregard [itex]\cos x=2[/itex],okay?

Daniel.
Unless the question asks for complex solutions.
 
"x" typically depicts real variable...:wink:

If it were "z",it may have considered imaginary solutions,too...

Daniel.
 
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Practice Problems...



It is my opinion that if the original equation states both [itex]\sin x[/itex] and [itex]\cos x[/itex] then both solutions must be located in order to lock on the solution quadrants, if possible.

[tex]4 \sin^2 x + 2 \cos^2 x = 3[/tex]
[tex]\sin^2 x = 1 - \cos^2 x[/tex] - identity
[tex]4 (1 - \cos^2 x) + 2 \cos^2 x - 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex]4 - 4 \cos^2 x + 2 \cos^2 x - 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex]-2 \cos^2 x + 1 = 0[/tex]
[tex]\cos^2 x = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{\cos x = \pm \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{\cos x = \pm \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \; \; \sin x = \pm \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{x = \pm \frac{\pi}{4} \; \; x = \pm \frac{3 \pi}{4}}[/tex] - solution 1
[tex]\boxed{x = \frac{\pi}{4} \; \; x = \frac{3 \pi}{4} \; \; x = \frac{5 \pi}{4} \; \; x = \frac{7 \pi}{4}}[/tex] - solution 2
:rolleyes:

By locking on the quadrants, a solution for [itex]x[/itex] can be found for 'special angles', without using inverse functions. However, in this equation, solutions exist in all four quadrants.

A physics professor will accept solution 1 or 2 for [itex]x[/itex], however a mathematics professor will only accept solution 2 for [itex]x[/itex].
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  • #11
Nope,as u can see,the initial equations placed no restrictions on the domains of the involved functions.So I'm sorry to disappoint you,but u have search for solutions in [itex]\mbox{R}[/itex].

Daniel.
 
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orion1
u good ,dont get 2 impressed
 
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orion i still insist u good ,for the second trig question x=60 or 300 which u got right .see ya
 
  • #14
Range Rover...


If the range for function 1 is [itex]\left[ 0 . 2 \pi \right][/itex] then solution 1 and 2 are correct, however if the range for function 1 is [itex](-\infty . +\infty)[/itex] then the number of solutions for [itex]x[/itex] are infinite and the solution for [itex]R[/itex] becomes:

[tex]x = \frac{\pi}{4} + \frac{n \pi}{2} = \frac{\pi}{2} \left( n + \frac{1}{2} \right)[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{ x = \pm \frac{\pi}{2} \left( n + \frac{1}{2} \right)}[/tex]

For function 2, the number of solutions for [itex]x[/itex] are infinite and limited solutions for [itex]x[/itex] becomes:
[tex]x = \cos^{-1} \frac{1}{2}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{x = \pm \frac{\pi}{3}}[/tex]
[tex]\boxed{x = \frac{\pi}{3} \; \; x = \frac{5 \pi}{3}}[/tex]

For function 2, what is the [itex]x[/itex] solution for [itex]R[/itex]?
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