Please help (electric shock/Electro static/charge)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving electrostatics, specifically related to electric shock and charge estimation. The scenario describes a child experiencing a spark when reaching for a metal toy, with specific parameters provided regarding the electric field, distance, and area of burn.

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  • Participants discuss how to determine the charge on the child's fingertip and estimate the resistance of the air. There are attempts to relate the electric field to voltage and charge, as well as inquiries about the significance of the area of the burn.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between charge, current, and resistance, while others express uncertainty about specific values and concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the approach or solution.

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Participants note confusion regarding certain terms and values, such as the meaning of "5mmsec" and the relevance of the area of the burn. There is also mention of a comprehensive assessment combining several units, which may influence the problem-solving approach.

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here's a problem that I am currently working on. I know the theory, but I'm not quite sure how to start this particular problem. Here are the values given:

"Thomas was crawling around on the rug. When he reached for a metal truck, a prominent spark lasting 5mmsec appeared between his fingertip and the object. His fingertip was about 2 mm from his toy. His finger burnt (the area of the burned region was of 10^-4 m^2)

On that day, the air was cold and dry causing it to become conducting when the electric field reached 3*10^6 N/C."

My question is, how you I determine the charge on the child's fingertip?
How do I estimate the resistance of the dry air between the toy
truck and the child's fingertip? (I just would like to know how to start this problem.. you don't have to do the entire thing)

Thank you in advance
 
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Well you know the field reached 3*10^6N/C, and you know the radius (2mm). I don't know what "5mmsec" is though. I can't think of anything beyond that.
 
I'm about at the same place as you. I also know that 3*10^6N/C = 3*10^6 V/m ... but I have no idea what to do with the area or even the distance
 
[tex]q_1q_2 = \frac{Fr^2}{k}[/tex], and your unit conversion won't get you anywhere.

What unit are you covering in class?
 
It's not exactly a unit. It's a comprehensive assessment that combines several units.
 
If you can find the charge, then you can find the current by the relationship between charge and current. With that and ohm's law I would imagine you can find the resistance.
 
The thing is, to find the charge, I need the force... to find the force, I need "k" which I don't know
 
[tex]k = \frac{1}{4pi\epsilon_{air}}[/tex]

How would you find the charge with that?
 
If Eo = 8.85 x 10-12 C2/N-m2, then k= 9.0 * 10^9

I know that E=kq/(r^2)

meaning q=1*10^-9 C

Make sense?
 
  • #10
If what I did in reply #9 correct:

now that I have the charge: 1*10^-9
and the time intervale 0.005 sec

then the current should be 0.0000002 A

Can you tell me if I am on the right track?
 
  • #11
I guess #9 makes sense. Then the current would be

[tex]\frac{10^{-9}/}{(5x10^{-6})} \mbox{ which should be } 0.2 x 10^{-3}[/tex] assuming that "5mmsec" = 5 microseconds.
 
  • #12
I think I should be ok now and I'll be able to work out the other 10 questions associated to that problem. Thank you so much for your help
 
  • #13
You should probably wait around for a more complete and thorough answer.
 
  • #14
ok.. You mean I should wait for someone else?
 
  • #15
Yeah, also that dielectric should be a little less than 8.85x10^-12, since it is in air, so your k value should be a bit less.
 
  • #16
By the way, you wouldn't happen to know if there is a purpose for the area:

"the area of the burned region was of 10^-4 m^2"
 
  • #17
Yeah Claude Mille replied to your post in the General Physics forum, check it out.

Please avoid posting in more than one forum.
 

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