Between classical or quantum statistics

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which quantum statistics should be applied instead of classical statistics, exploring the differences between the two approaches. It touches on theoretical concepts, particularly in the context of statistical mechanics and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on when quantum statistics is preferable to classical statistics and the differences between them.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of "thermal wave length" as a key concept distinguishing the two statistical frameworks, referencing Huang's Statistical Mechanics for further details.
  • A participant emphasizes the role of microscopical dynamics and the application of the six postulates of nonrelativistic quantum mechanics as crucial for understanding the necessity of quantum statistical physics, citing the Gibbs paradox.
  • A later reply reiterates the significance of the Gibbs paradox in justifying quantum statistical physics and provides a link for further reading.
  • Another participant argues that the Gibbs paradox can be addressed within classical statistics by considering the dimensionless volume element in phase space, applying the sixth postulate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of classical versus quantum statistics, particularly regarding the Gibbs paradox. There is no consensus on the resolution of these issues, and multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific theoretical constructs and postulates without fully resolving the implications or assumptions involved in their arguments. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the Gibbs paradox and the transition from classical to quantum statistics.

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Hi can someone please help me! Can someone explain when it is acceptable to quantum statistics instead of classical statistics? And what is the difference between them.

Thanks All

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I don't remember the eqn but the critical word is "thermal wave length" that describes the difference between two. Look at th Huang's Statistical Mechenics for details
 
Microscopical dynamics and the application of the 6 postulates of (nonrelativistic) QM is the decisive factor...

Think of the Gibbs' paradox and u'll understand the need for a quantum statistical physics...


Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Microscopical dynamics and the application of the 6 postulates of (nonrelativistic) QM is the decisive factor...

Think of the Gibbs' paradox and u'll understand the need for a quantum statistical physics...

Daniel.

Not so easy. Please look at http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/articles/gibbs.paradox.pdf

Seratend.
 
The Gibbs paradox is accounted for quite nicely even in classical statistic if one considers the dimensionless volume element on the phase space

[tex]d^{2s}\tilde{x}=:\frac{1}{h^{2s}}\prod_{i=1}^{2s} dq_{i}dp_{i}[/tex]

to which the VI-th postulate is applied to

[tex]d^{2x}x^{*}=:\frac{1}{h^{2s}N!}\prod_{i=1}^{2s} dq_{i}dp_{i}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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