Simplifying Fractions and Multiplying Basics - Tips for Easy Math Solutions

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The discussion revolves around simplifying fractions and basic multiplication of polynomials, particularly in the context of preparing for a final exam. Participants explore various methods for factoring and simplifying expressions, as well as addressing common pitfalls in these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying fractions and mentions a misunderstanding about the multiplication process, believing that factoring should occur first.
  • Another participant provides a detailed step-by-step simplification of a fraction, focusing on factoring both the numerator and denominator separately.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of recognizing polynomial identities to aid in factoring, suggesting that this knowledge can help simplify expressions more effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of certain simplifications, particularly when variables may take on values that lead to division by zero.
  • Multiple participants propose different factorizations for the same polynomial expressions, indicating some uncertainty about the correct forms.
  • There is a suggestion that certain expressions can be simplified to 1 through cancellation, but this is met with varying levels of agreement and skepticism.
  • A later reply acknowledges a previous misunderstanding and offers an apology, indicating a collaborative and respectful atmosphere despite the technical disagreements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to factor expressions for simplification, but there are multiple competing views on specific factorizations and the validity of certain simplifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the multiplication problem presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of noting restrictions on variable values to avoid invalid simplifications, but these restrictions are not universally agreed upon. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding and confidence among participants regarding the mathematical concepts involved.

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Hello! I have a major final on Friday and I need to figure out how to do these problems. For the life of me I canot figure out how to simplify those fractions. And to multiple, I was under the impression you factor out first and then cross out. But everything comes out positive?

For the multiplication, it should be x2+12x+35, not 25. sorry

Any help is appreciated!
 

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Let's take the first:
[tex]\frac{3x^{2}-27}{18-6x}[/tex]
It is smart to focus on the numerator and denominator separately:
FIRST SIMPLIFICATION:
Numerator: [tex]3x^{2}-27[/tex]
Note that 3 is common factor, since 27=3*9.
Therefore, you can write:
[tex]3x^{2}-27=3*(x^{2}-9)[/tex]
Denominator: [tex]18-6x[/tex]
Here, 6 is a common factor, since 18=6*3
Thus, you can write: [tex]18-6x=6*(3-x)[/tex]

Therefore, we have:
[tex]\frac{3x^{2}-27}{18-6x}=\frac{3*(x^{2}-9)}{6*(3-x)}[/tex]
But, now we can see that because 6=3*2, we have:
[tex]\frac{3*(x^{2}-9)}{6*(3-x)}=\frac{3*(x^{2}-9)}{3*2*(3-x)}=\frac{(x^{2}-9)}{2*(3-x)}[/tex]
We have managed a simplification!

SECOND SIMPLIFICATION:
Numerator:
If you are perceptive, you see that we have: [tex]x^{2}-9=(x+3)*(x-3)[/tex]
Let us write this a bit differently, by extracting a minus sign from the last parenthesis:
[tex]x^{2}-9=(x+3)*(x-3)=-(x+3)*(3-x)[/tex]
But now, we have:
[tex]\frac{(x^{2}-9)}{2*(3-x)}=\frac{-(x+3)*(3-x)}{2*(3-x)}=-\frac{(x+3)}{2}[/tex]
since the factor (3-x) occurs in both numerator and denominator.
Got that?
 
Can u factor them...?All of them can be factored & easily simplified.Take the first.What can u do to it...?

Daniel.
 
In all those problems the idea is to factorize.
Some useful identities will help you spot how to factor certain polynomials immediately:

[tex](a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2[/tex]
[tex](a-b)^2=a^2-2ab+b^2[/tex]
[tex](a+b)(a-b)=a^2-b^2[/tex]

Identifying the right side will help you factor it as the left side. eg: [itex]x^2-9=x^2-3^2=(x+3)(x-3)[/itex].

Also, be careful when simplifying as follows:

[tex]\frac{x^2-25}{x-5}=\frac{(x+5)(x-5)}{x-5}=x+5[/tex]

In the last step I divided top and bottom by x-5, which is not allowed when x=5. So the last step is wrong. Be sure to add [itex]x\not=5[/itex] or don't simplify further.
 
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I would rather say that x isn't allowed to be 5 in the first place..
In my case, Galileo's argument requires that x must be different from 3.
 
Thanks! That was stupid, all I had to do was factor out.

But for the multiplication, I'm still unsure.

wouldn't x2+12x+35 = (x+7)(x+5) ?

and x2+10x+25 = (x+5)(x+5)

and for x2+7x+10 = (x+5)(x+2)

and for x2+9x+14= (x+7)(x+2)
 
[tex]\frac{x^2 + 12x + 25}{x^2 + 10x + 25} \times \frac{x^2 + 7x + 10}{x ^2 + 9x + 14} =[/tex]

[tex]\frac{x^4 + 7x^3 + 10x^2 + 12x^3 + 84x^2 + 120x + 25x^2 + 175x + 250}{x^4 + 9x^3 + 14x^2 + 10x^3 + 90x^2 + 140x + 25x^2 + 225x + 350}[/tex] etc. is one way or you can factorise.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
Sure, your factoring looks okay to me.
 
The Bob said:
[tex]\frac{x^2 + 12x + 25}{x^2 + 10x + 25} \times \frac{x^2 + 7x + 10}{x ^2 + 9x + 14} =[/tex]

[tex]\frac{x^4 + 7x^3 + 10x^2 + 12x^3 84x^2 + 120x + 25x^2 + 175x + 250}{x^4 + 9x^3 + 14x^2 + 10x^3 + 90x^2 + 140x + 25x^2 + 225x + 350}[/tex] etc.

The Bob (2004 ©)
You have a delightfully original conception of SIMPLIFICATION, THe Bob!
 
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arildno said:
You have a delightfully original conception of SIMPLIFICATION, THe Bob!
The original question says multiply. Not a word about simplification.

arildno said:
Sure, your factoring looks okay to me.
It might be ok but if you see the original question the first:

Sanyo said:
x^2+12x+35 = (x+7)(x+5)

should be x^2 + 12x + 25, hence, the longer way of doing it.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
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Should be:

[tex]\frac{x^2 + 12x + 35}{x^2 + 10x + 25} \times \frac{x^2 + 7x + 10}{x ^2 + 9x + 14}[/tex]

and then I thought it was:

[tex]\frac{(x+7)(x+5)}{(x+5)(x+5)} \times \frac{(x+5)(x+2)}{(x+7)(x+2)}[/tex]

Would they all cancel out making it 1?
 
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That seems correct.
 
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Sanyo said:
Should be:

[tex]\frac{x^2 + 12x + 35}{x^2 + 10x + 25} \times \frac{x^2 + 7x + 10}{x ^2 + 9x + 14}[/tex]

and then I thought it was:

[tex]\frac{(x+7)(x+5)}{(x+5)(x+5)} \times \frac{(x+5)(x+2)}{(x+7)(x+2)}[/tex]

Would they all cancel out making it 1?

Exactly! Well done. :smile:

EDIT: Follow Galileo's advice and write that x cannot equal -5,-7 or -2.
 
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Sanyo said:
Should be:

[tex]\frac{x^2 + 12x + 35}{x^2 + 10x + 25} \times \frac{x^2 + 7x + 10}{x ^2 + 9x + 14}[/tex]
Now that this information has come out, I would like to apologise to arildno for an offence I may have caused. With the information given I did not see a simpler way without the quadratic equation. Please accept my apologise. :smile:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
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The Bob said:
Now that this information has come out, I would like to apologise to arildno for an offence I may have caused. With the information given I did not see a simpler way without the quadratic equation. Please accept my apologise. :smile:

The Bob (2004 ©)
None needed; I was able to sleep unperturbed last night, and that's the important thing, isn't it? :wink:
 
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arildno said:
None needed; I was able to sleep unperturbed last night, and that's the important thing, isn't it? :wink:
:smile: Yeap. It is. :biggrin:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 

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