Capacitance Decrease w/ Applied DC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of capacitance decrease in a ceramic capacitor when a DC voltage is applied. Participants explore the physical mechanisms behind this behavior, particularly in relation to the X5R dielectric material and its response to voltage and temperature changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes measuring a 100uF capacitor that drops to ~60uF under a 5V DC bias, seeking an explanation for this behavior.
  • Another participant confirms the measurement scenario and inquires if capacitance was measured at different voltages.
  • One participant asserts that capacitance is normally constant under specified working voltages, suggesting a misunderstanding of the phenomenon.
  • A later reply clarifies that the decrease in capacitance occurs while the DC voltage is applied, noting that capacitance increases to 80uF when the voltage is removed, indicating variability in capacitance based on applied conditions.
  • It is mentioned that some dielectrics exhibit a decrease in permittivity with applied DC voltage or temperature changes, highlighting the complexity of the behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether capacitance can change under applied voltage, with some acknowledging the phenomenon while others maintain that capacitance should remain constant. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the specific characteristics of X5R dielectric materials and the effects of applied voltage and temperature, but do not provide detailed definitions or assumptions that underlie their claims.

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I would like to understand why my 100uF 6.3V X5R dielectric ceramic capacitor decreases to ~60uF under a 5V applied DC bias. Can anyone explain the physical phenomenon?
 
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So, you applied 5V to 100uF cap and when you measured its capacitance by some equipment after removing supply it was 60uF. Am I right? Did you measured the capacitance at other voltages too?
 
Remember that capacitance is a constant and can't be changed normally if the capacitor is being used under the working voltage mentioned for that component.
 
The decrease in capacitance is while the 5V DC is applied. I can measure the capacitance at 60uF with an applied DC voltage. When I remove the 5V supply (DC Bias = 0V), the measured capacitance goes up to 80uF, which is just barely above the lower limit for the 100uF cap (+/-20%).

The capacitance is not constant! It's a well known phenomenon that some dielectrics decrease in permitivity as a function of an applied DC voltage, or an increase/decrease in temperature, etc. I just wanted to understand the phenomenon.
 

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