Separate normalisation of chiral spinors?

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of chiral spinors in the context of the Dirac equation, particularly whether separate normalization conditions for left and right spinors can be imposed and their implications for physical interpretations and mathematical consistency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the utility of imposing separate normalization conditions on left and right spinors, wondering about the implications for the resolution of the identity.
  • Another participant asserts that separate normalization is indeed possible and references literature on weak interactions that discusses normalized solutions of the Weyl equations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the focus on massive particles rather than massless neutrinos, introducing the concept of non-unitary chiral symmetry generated by iγ^5 and inquires about the conservation of charge in this context.
  • One participant explores the consequences of dilating the spinors, proposing a transformation that leads to modified equations for the spinors and questions the physical significance of this new pair while noting that it still relates to relativistic wavefunctions.
  • The same participant discusses the normalization properties of the new bispinor formed from the transformed spinors, particularly under specific conditions on the dilation factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the normalization of chiral spinors, with some supporting the idea of separate normalization while others focus on the implications for massive particles and non-unitary symmetry. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications and physical interpretations of these approaches.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the spinors and their transformations, as well as the dependence on specific mathematical conditions for normalization. The implications of these transformations on physical interpretations are not fully explored.

arivero
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When solving Dirac equation (for free massive particles) we usually impose normalisation conditions upon the eigenfunction in a single stroke.

I am wondering, Is it possible/useful to impose separate normalisation conditions upon the left and right spinors? Should we still have a resolution of the identity, etc?
 
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Yes,of course.See any book on weak interactions (the ones which used to treat neutrinos as being massless),as it deals with normalized solutions of the Weyl equations.I remember seing it in D.Bailin's book on weak interactions.

Daniel.
 
Hmm I was thinking in massive particles, not neutrinos.

The think I am pursuing is some kind of study of non unitary chiral symmetry, this is, the one generated with [tex]i\gamma^5[/tex] instead of [tex]\gamma^5[/tex]. Do we get a conserved charge?
 
Let me to think aloud.

If we dilate two spinors [tex]|R>,|L>[/tex] so that [tex]|R> \rightarrow k_R |R'>[/tex], [tex]|L> \rightarrow k_L |L'>[/tex]
the new pair [tex]|R'>,|L'>[/tex] does not fulfil Dirac equation but instead
[tex]D |L'> = {k_R \over k _L} m |R'>[/tex]
[tex]D |R'> = {k_L \over k _R} m |L'>[/tex]

Does this new pair has still some physical sense?

Of course it is still a pair of relativistic wavefuntions of mass m. Intriguingly we have that different values of k map Dirac eq to the same bispinorial equation, because the new equation only depends on the quotient.

The new bispinor [tex]\Psi' \equiv |L'> \oplus |R'>[/tex] still fulfils some normalisation-related properties, depending of the kind of transformations.

Particularly if [tex]k_R, k _L[/tex] are real numbers (or diagonal self adjoint matrices) with [tex]k_R k _L=1[/tex] we have
[tex]<\bar \Psi | \Psi> = <\bar \Psi' | \Psi'>[/tex]
 
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