Observation,From quantum locality to Macro Domain

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between quantum systems and observers, particularly regarding the implications of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) when transitioning from quantum to macro domains. Participants explore the nature of observation and measurement across different scales, questioning the validity of HUP in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a quantum system is aware of an observer before the observer can perceive the quantum system, suggesting a directional asymmetry in measurement from macro to quantum domains.
  • Another participant challenges the understanding of the HUP, implying that clarity on this principle is essential before questioning its validity.
  • A further response emphasizes the need for definitions of scale and magnitude to facilitate understanding, indicating that the initial question may lack clarity.
  • There is a suggestion that the process of measuring from quantum to macro domains may involve certainty, contrasting with the uncertainty inherent in macro to quantum measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the HUP in the context of measurements across scales. There is no consensus on the implications of these measurements or the clarity of the initial questions posed.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined key terms such as "scale" and "magnitude," which may affect the interpretation of their arguments. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of the HUP, which remains unresolved.

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Does a Quantum System know about an observer before the Observer can know about the Quantum System?

Quantum domains are small, Macro Domains are larger,so when one looks from a Macro Domain to one that is smaller(Quantum) one first has to locate the Quantum System to be observed, then because of the observation laws, ie..HUP there are only certain measures one can do, and one has to do these independantly.

If one reverse's the process, where the Quantum 'measures' the Macro System/Observer..one finds that the imprecise measure from:Macro to Quantum domains..gets reversed into:Quantum to Macro system measure always involves certainty?

Its easier for small entities to locate larger entities, by default.

The HUP law cannot be valid for the measure from Quantum Locality to Macro Locality..the direction of where you measure from must have a baring on paramiters of certainty against Uncertainty, can this be possible?
 
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Before asking if the HUP is invalidated, what do you really understand about the HUP?

Seratend.
 
seratend said:
Before asking if the HUP is invalidated, what do you really understand about the HUP?

Seratend.

Perhaps you may like to start by defining your definition of Scale in context to Magnitude? :rolleyes:
 
Spin_Network said:
Perhaps you may like to start by defining your definition of Scale in context to Magnitude? :rolleyes:

If you are only able to answer questions with another question, it will be difficult to understand your initial question.

My question is very precise (I think, in the context of this forum). While your initial question and this subsequent one is not very clear (in my modest opinion).
If you do not want to provide some explanations when we ask you, it is your freedom, however do not be surprised in not getting an answer.

Seratend.
 

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