Entropy of a Schwarzchild black hole

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The discussion revolves around the entropy of a Schwarzschild black hole, specifically how to derive an expression for its entropy in terms of its surface area and other constants. The original poster presents a starting equation for the surface area and a relationship involving quantized matter, seeking guidance on proving the entropy formula.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the surface area of the black hole and its entropy, referencing the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy formula. There are attempts to connect thermodynamic principles with black hole mechanics, including discussions on the first law of thermodynamics as it applies to black holes.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing references and clarifications. Some have offered insights into the thermodynamic relationships involved, while others are questioning the definitions and assumptions related to the equations presented. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the discussion is moving towards a deeper understanding of the concepts involved.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the notation used in equations, as well as the need for clarity on the definitions of terms like work and temperature in the context of black holes. The original poster is also navigating through complex relationships between energy, entropy, and area.

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Hi, I'm looking for some help on where to start with this question:

The surface area of a Schwarzschild black hole is [tex]A=16 \pi R^2_c[/tex] where [tex]R_c[/tex] is the distance of the event horizon from the centre of the black hole. Show that for such a hole containing quantized matter, its entropy can be written

[tex]S = \frac{\xi k c}{4\pi h G}A[/tex]

where [tex]\xi[/tex] is a numerical constant.



I know that the enropy of a change is

[tex]S = \int_{initial}^{final} \frac{Q_{rev}}{T}[/tex]

and can show that using the de Broglie relation

[tex]\lambda dB <= 2R_c = \frac{4GM}{c^2}[/tex]

the energy is

[tex]\frac{hc^3}{4GM} <= E[/tex]

But I'm not sure where to go with proving that the entropy is the equation given.
 
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It looks like you got your Latex wrong. Change the [\tex] to [/tex].
 
[tex]S_{Beckenstein-Hawking}=\frac{A}{4\hbar}[/tex]

is more likely defined...

Daniel.
 
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In the section 12.5 of his book [1],Wald shows that the first law of thermodynamics for a black hole can be written

[tex]dM=\frac{1}{8\pi}\kappa dA+\Omega_{H}dJ[/tex]

Daniel.

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[1]Wald R.M."General Relativity",1984.
 
Ok, that's helpful, thanks. I assume [tex]\Omega_{H}dJ[/tex] represents work done.

Does that mean the two forms

[tex]dM = \frac{K dA}{8\pi} + work[/tex]
[tex]dE = T dS + work[/tex]

could be equated?

[tex]dE - T dS = dM - \frac{K dA}{8\pi}[/tex]
 
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Yes,[tex]TdS=\frac{1}{8\pi}\kappa dA[/tex]

Daniel.
 
And one more thing,it's Karl Schwarzschild.

Daniel.
 
Thanks for your help.
 

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