How Do You Simplify the Triple Integral of |xyz| Over an Ellipsoid?

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The discussion centers on evaluating the triple integral of the absolute value of the product of variables |xyz| over an ellipsoidal region defined by the equation (x/a)² + (y/b)² + (z/c)² ≤ 1. Participants explore various approaches to simplify the integral, including parametrization and considerations of symmetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in evaluating the integral and questions whether parametrization is necessary and how to handle the absolute value without integrating over all octants.
  • Another participant suggests that the symmetry of the ellipsoid implies the integral could be simplified, noting that the function is even and the domain is symmetric with respect to the origin.
  • Some participants argue that the integral might evaluate to zero due to symmetry, but others point out the importance of the absolute value in the integrand, which complicates this assumption.
  • One participant proposes a specific parametrization for the ellipsoid and discusses the implications for the volume element and the integrand.
  • Another participant provides a detailed transformation of variables to simplify the integral, suggesting that the absolute value and symmetry allow for a reduction to a simpler integral over a positive region.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the integral. There are competing views regarding the impact of symmetry and the absolute value on the integral's value, with some suggesting it could be zero and others asserting it is strictly positive.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity introduced by the absolute value in the integrand, which affects the symmetry arguments. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed transformations and evaluations.

MattL
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I'm having trouble with evaluating

[Triple Integral] |xyz| dx dy dz

over the region (x/a)^2 + (y/b)^2 + (z/c)^2 <= 1

Do I need to use some sort of parametrisation for the region, and is there some way of dealing with the absolute value function without integrating over the eight octants?

Whilst I've separated the integral into the product of three integrals, I'm not sure if this actually helps?
 
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Well,the function is even and the domain of integration is symmetric wrt the origin,so that would give u a hint upon the limits of integration.The symmetry of the ellipsoid is really useful.

As for the parametrization,i'm sure u'll find the normal one

[tex]x=a\cos\varphi\sin\vartheta[/tex]

[tex]y=b\sin\varphi\sin\vartheta[/tex]

[tex]z=c\cos\vartheta[/tex]

pretty useful.

Daniel.
 
This integral looks like it's zero with all the symmetry: you know, four positives and four negatives for the integrand. Not sure though as I can't evaluate it. Would like to know though.
 
saltydog said:
This integral looks like it's zero with all the symmetry: you know, four positives and four negatives for the integrand. Not sure though as I can't evaluate it. Would like to know though.
I think you missed the absolute value sign on the integrand..:wink:
 
arildno said:
I think you missed the absolute value sign on the integrand..:wink:

Well . . . no, that's the reason I used for the symmetry but again, I qualify my statements by the fact I can't prove it. For example in the first octant:

[tex]|xyz|=xyz[/tex]

That's a positive one.

However, in the octant with x<0, y>0 and z>0 we have:

[tex]|xyz|=-xyz[/tex]

And so forth in the 8 octants leaving 4 positive and 4 negative ones integrated symmetrically (I think).
 
The integrand is positive almost everywhere; hence, the integral is strictly positive:
Let:
[tex]x=ar\sin\phi\cos\theta,y=br\sin\phi\sin\theta,z=cr\cos\phi[/tex]
[tex]0\leq{r}\leq{1},0\leq\theta\leq{2}\pi,0\leq\phi\leq\pi[/tex]
Thus, we may find:
[tex]dV=dxdydz=abcr^{2}\sin\phi{dr}d\phi{d}\theta[/tex]
[tex]|xyz|=\frac{abcr^{3}}{2}\sin^{2}\phi|\cos\phi\sin(2\theta)|[/tex]
Doing the r-integrations yield the double integral:
[tex]I=\frac{(abc)^{2}}{12}\int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_{0}^{\pi}\sin^{3}\phi|\cos\phi\sin(2\theta)|d\phi{d}\theta[/tex]
We have symmetry about [tex]\phi=\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]; thus we gain:
[tex]I=\frac{(abc)^{2}}{24}\int_{0}^{2\pi}|\sin(2\theta)|d\theta[/tex]
We have four equal parts here, and using the part [tex]0\leq\theta\leq\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] yields:
[tex]I=\frac{(abc)^{2}}{12}[/tex]
 
Thanks Arildno. MattL, hope I didn't get in your way. I'll go through it to make sure I understand it.
 
saltydog said:
Thanks Arildno. MattL, hope I didn't get in your way. I'll go through it to make sure I understand it.

No problem.

Think I should be able to give this question a fair go now.
 
Change variables to x = a*x1, y = b*x2, z = c*x3. The integration region is the unit ball x1^2 + x2^2 + x3^2 <= 1, the integrand is abc*|x1 x2 x3|, and dV = abc * dx1 dx2 dx3. Because of the absolute value and symmetry, the whole integral, I, equals 8 times the integral over the {x1,x2,x3 >= 0} portion of the ball. This gives I = 8abc*int_{x3=0..1} f(x3) dx3, where f(x3) = x3*int_{x1^2 + x2^2 <= 1-x3^2} x1 x2 dx1 dx2. Using polar coordinates (or first integrating over x2 for fixed x1, then integrating over x1) we can easily evaluate f(x3), then integrate it over x3 = 0-->1. The final result is I = abc/6.

R.G. Vickson
 

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