How fast can lightning change direction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of lightning, specifically its ability to change direction and the factors influencing its path. Participants explore theoretical aspects, observational insights, and recent research findings related to lightning's propagation and characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether lightning primarily moves in a straight line or can change direction rapidly, particularly around objects that are not good conductors.
  • One participant suggests that lightning follows a zigzag path due to choosing the path of least resistance, although this is not definitively established.
  • Another participant explains that lightning travels along the path of least resistance and involves multiple leader tracks that seek low-resistance paths, influenced by environmental factors like air contaminants and ionization.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of lightning's path due to various factors such as medium density and charge distribution, suggesting that arcing does not follow a straight line.
  • One participant expresses confusion and requests simpler examples of lightning changing direction quickly.
  • Recent research by Joseph Dwyer is mentioned, proposing that the cause of lightning involves high-energy "runaway electrons" and X-ray production during the leader phase, which challenges previous understandings of lightning formation.
  • Another participant acknowledges the interesting implications of Dwyer's findings for practical applications in fields like materials science.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the behavior of lightning, with no consensus on the specifics of how and why it changes direction. Multiple competing theories and observations are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the path of lightning is influenced by various factors, including environmental conditions and the properties of the medium, which complicates the understanding of its behavior. There are also references to recent research that may alter traditional views on lightning formation.

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Does lightning mainly just move in a straight line or can it change really quickly? Can it move around objects, like something that's not a good conductor, to get to something that is?
 
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OHh I also wonder why lightning doesn't propagate in a straight line ... but in a zigzag type of path. Is it because it chooses the path that is least resistive ?
 
I'll take a whack at this question for you. The lightning choses the path of least resistance so it will zig zag around less conductive air to get to the ground easier. On the topic of changing direction: It obviously changes direction quickly but I only know that because I observe it. I have no information to back this up.
 
So does anyone know for sure?
 
Very complicated

Well, there's a couple of things going on. It is true that lightning travels along the path of least resistance. However, before there is the main stroke of a lightning bolt, there are hundreds of leader tracks- low current short arcs- that "feel out" the local ionization, looking for a path of low enough resistance to initiate an arc. Any contaminant in the air (water vapor, dust, pollutants) that happen to be in the way of the arc provide a lower resistance than air alone. Plus, as the arc progresses, the air gets super heated - creating an ionized path as it goes. This ionized path is subject to both the eddy currents in the air and the magnetic field of the earth. Plus, the arc itself has a strong magnetic field. Plasma in a magnetic field has very complicated motion, and chaotic paths are not entirely uncommon.

So to answer your question, I can't imagine that a lightning bolt would ever be straight, what with all the different things going on at once. :smile:
 
DeeZee said:
So does anyone know for sure?

Keep in mind that a lightning is similar to an arcing or a discharge. The path that a lightning takes is very complicated due to a number of factors, such as density of the medium, polarizability, charge distribution, etc. Air in itself does not have a uniform density over a large distance (that's why we have winds). So this makes the path even more complicated.

Note that this isn't unique just for lightning. Arcing in a medium also does not follow a straight line path. In fact, it can be downright twisted since it depends on grain boundaries, defects, variation in density, etc. To illustrate this, I have a recent SEM image that I took of a ceramic of MgCaTi compound in which an electrical breakdown occurred right at the butted joint. You can see the tracks made by the arc and they look like "wormholes".

Zz.
 

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Thanks, ZapperZ. I don't get everything you said, though. :P
Are there any easy to understand examples of lightning changing direction quickly?
 
According to an article in the latest issue of Scientific American, authored by Joseph Dwyer (researcher in Florida), the cause of lighting is much different than previously thought.

In brief: Dwyer found copious X-ray production that he states could only be generated by high-energy electrons he calls “runaway electrons”. The x-rays are not produced during the lighting flash, but during the “leader” period preceding the flash. The underlying cause of the energetic electrons is cosmic radiation that initiates a chain reaction of free electrons. The electrons must be accelerated by a 200,000 volt per meter field to reach energies sufficient to generate x-rays. Apparently accelerated electrons, not the presumed “electrons taking the path of least resistance”, create the leader. His sensors have detected x-ray production by the leader within a few meters of the ground.
 
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GENIERE said:
According to an article in the latest issue of Scientific American, authored by Joseph Dwyer (researcher in Florida), the cause of lighting is much different than previously thought.
A most interesting article; I was about to recommend it myself. That runaway electron effect seems as if it should have some practical uses if it can be harnessed. (Maybe a better Taser? :biggrin: )
Kidding about that, but some new stuff regarding high energy discharges could help with other areas of research perhaps, such as in plasmas or materials science.
 

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