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Raparicio
May8-05, 10:54 AM
Dear Friends,

Does anybodi knows the meaning, or anything related to the term:

\Psi \nabla \Psi^*

or

\Psi \nabla \Psi^* - \Psi^* \nabla \Psi

Is the representation of something in the reality?

Best reggards.

Galileo
May8-05, 11:10 AM
If you have a particle having a wavefunction \psi(\vec r, t), then:

\vec J(\vec r,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2mi}(\psi^* \nabla \psi-\psi\nabla \psi^*)

is the so-called probability current. It represents the flow of probability density, like electrical current is the flow of charge density.

Raparicio
May8-05, 12:51 PM
If you have a particle having a wavefunction \psi(\vec r, t), then:

\vec J(\vec r,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2mi}(\psi^* \nabla \psi-\psi\nabla \psi^*)

is the so-called probability current. It represents the flow of probability density, like electrical current is the flow of charge density.


Thanks, Galileo, but I'm trying to "imagine" what is, for example, one of the 2 terms:

\psi^* \nabla \psi

Has it any meaning? Is a rotor of the nabla operator?

:smile:

dextercioby
May8-05, 07:05 PM
Nope,it's just the ~ to the integral nucleus of the momentum operator.

Daniel.

rune
May8-05, 07:47 PM
If you have a particle having a wavefunction \psi(\vec r, t), then:

\vec J(\vec r,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2mi}(\psi^* \nabla \psi-\psi\nabla \psi^*)

is the so-called probability current. It represents the flow of probability density.

Sorry if this is really basic, i'm no quantum guru yet :tongue:, but could you say that the (classical) velocity is in the direction where \vec J has global max at a given t? Is it possible somehow to calculate \vec v from \vec J?

dextercioby
May9-05, 03:39 AM
"(Classical) velocity" has nothing to do with the probability current density...

Daniel.

Raparicio
May9-05, 12:57 PM
empirical experiments verify this formulae is ok?

dextercioby
May9-05, 12:59 PM
Which formulae...?We can't measure \vec{j}\left(\vec{r},t\right) ,but only probabilities.

Daniel.

Raparicio
May9-05, 03:57 PM
Which formulae...?We can't measure \vec{j}\left(\vec{r},t\right) ,but only probabilities.

Daniel.

Daniel,

I mean that if exists any experiment or example in real word that confirms that formula or some of its components. For example, if the probability to find a particle in some place or time has this formula...

dextercioby
May9-05, 04:02 PM
I'm not an experimentalist and never will be,but i can assure that this simple part of QM has been fully checked and confirmed.We can't measure certain abstract things.Since QM is a probabilistic theory,all we can do is statistics.

Daniel.

Raparicio
May9-05, 06:52 PM
I'm not an experimentalist and never will be,but i can assure that this simple part of QM has been fully checked and confirmed.We can't measure certain abstract things.Since QM is a probabilistic theory,all we can do is statistics.

Daniel.

tks Daniel.