Does Faraday's Law Indicate Charge Separation in a Loop?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Faraday's Law and its implications for charge separation in a wire loop, particularly in the context of a physics final exam question. Participants are exploring the relationship between magnetic fields and induced currents in loops versus bars.

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  • Participants are considering whether a wire loop experiences induced current due to changes in magnetic flux, with some questioning the assumptions about charge movement and separation in the loop compared to a bar. There is also discussion about the conditions under which charge separation occurs and how it relates to the forces acting on the charges.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the implications of charge separation and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the behavior of charges in the loop, but multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants are referencing specific figures and scenarios from the exam question, which may not be fully detailed in the thread. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem given its weight in the exam context.

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So I'm studying for my physics final, and I ran across a problem that is giving me a bit of trouble.

http://cyclotron.tamu.edu/dhy/sample_final_exam.pdf

the question is 3b.

I'm thinking that the wire loop will have no induced current in it since there isn't a change in flux when you consider a loop rather than a bar, but it doesn't seem right that a 13 point problem would have such a simple answer.
 
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cair0 said:
So I'm studying for my physics final, and I ran across a problem that is giving me a bit of trouble.

http://cyclotron.tamu.edu/dhy/sample_final_exam.pdf

the question is 3b.

I'm thinking that the wire loop will have no induced current in it since there isn't a change in flux when you consider a loop rather than a bar, but it doesn't seem right that a 13 point problem would have such a simple answer.

I think you've got it. If you look at it from the point of view of charges moving with velocity v through a magntetic field, charges in both vertical parts of the loop will be forced in the same direction. There will be shift of charge until the electric force offsets the magnetic force, but no net current flow. Charges in the top and bottom of the loop just get pushed to the side of the wire.
 
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Dan,

what happens in the case of Figure (a)? Is there a separation of charges, positive ones accumulating at the top of the stick, negative ones at the bottom?
 
quasar987 said:
Dan,

what happens in the case of Figure (a)? Is there a separation of charges, positive ones accumulating at the top of the stick, negative ones at the bottom?

Yes, and the same thing would happen for the loop. Charge separates and builds up an electric field. There will be equilibrium when the electric force and the magnetic force are equal and opposite.
 

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