AC vs. DC Electricity: Why Does AC Travel Further Without Loss?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between AC and DC electricity in the context of power transmission, specifically addressing the claim that AC travels further distances without loss compared to DC. Participants explore the implications of transmission line characteristics, power loss, and the role of transformers in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Warrick questions the validity of a claim regarding AC traveling further without loss compared to DC.
  • Warren suggests that while AC may not necessarily suffer lower losses, it facilitates easier voltage conversions with transformers, which are essential for minimizing line loss.
  • Warren explains that line loss is dependent on current, and higher voltages lead to lower currents, resulting in reduced losses.
  • Warren elaborates on the relationship between power dissipation in resistors and current, noting that power loss is influenced by both current and voltage.
  • A later reply challenges Warren's assertion that power dissipation depends solely on current, emphasizing the interdependence of voltage and current through resistance.
  • Warren acknowledges the correction and clarifies that power loss is expressed in terms of both current and voltage, reiterating the preference for high voltage and low current in power transmission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between current, voltage, and power loss in transmission lines. There is no consensus on the initial claim regarding AC's superiority over DC in terms of distance traveled without loss.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of transmission line resistance and the role of transformers, but the conversation includes some unresolved mathematical details and assumptions about power loss mechanisms.

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Hi All,

A friend of mine made a strange claim that I was very curious about.

He claims that power lines ( the type that run town to town ) run AC because it travels further distances without loss than DC.

Is this true, and if so why is there a difference?

Thanks
Warrick
 
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This is potentially, but not necessarily true. The impedance of a transmission line can indeed be different at different frequencies. However, AC is used not because it suffers lower losses, but because it makes step-up and step-down conversions (with transformers) much easier. Such conversions are necessary, because transmission lines must use high voltages; line loss is dependent upon current. Larger voltages imply smaller currents, which lead to lower loss.

- Warren
 
Thanks chroot, I guess I'll do some more reading before I bug you with the transformer questions. Why is there lower loss when there is smaller currents though?
 
The transmission line is effectively a large, distributed resistance. The power dissipated by a resistor depends on the current through it, not the voltage applied to it. (Consider that applying the same voltage to two different resistances results in two different amounts of power consumption; applying 12 V to an infinite resistance yields no power consumption; applying 12 V to a 1 ohm resistance yields 12 W of power consumption.)

- Warren
 
That makes sense, thanks for you time chroot.
 
chroot said:
The transmission line is effectively a large, distributed resistance. The power dissipated by a resistor depends on the current through it, not the voltage applied to it. (Consider that applying the same voltage to two different resistances results in two different amounts of power consumption; applying 12 V to an infinite resistance yields no power consumption; applying 12 V to a 1 ohm resistance yields 12 W of power consumption.)

- Warren

Are you sure you want to say that something in a resistor depends on current but not on voltage? Your argument works just as well the other way around. 12 amps through zero resistance yields no power consomption.

P.S. applying 12 volts to a 1 ohm resistance yields 144 watts, not 12. ;-)
 
jdavel said:
Are you sure you want to say that something in a resistor depends on current but not on voltage?
Well, okay, voltage and current are related through resistance, so power consumption does depend on both. I didn't want to confuse him too much, but you're right, I misspoke.

The power loss through a resistance R is:

[tex]P = I^2 R = \frac{V^2}{R}[/tex]

The voltage appears divided by the resistance, while the current appears multiplied by it. You don't want a large current for power transmission, you want a large voltage and a small current.

- Warren
 

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