Why are neutrinos relatively uninteractive compared to other particles?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of neutrinos and their relatively low interaction rates with matter. Participants explore whether the characterization of neutrinos as "relatively uninteractive" is a fact or a theory, examining the implications of their weak interactions, experimental observations, and theoretical frameworks.

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  • Some participants question whether the statement about neutrinos being uninteractive is a fact or a theory, suggesting a distinction between direct observations and theoretical assumptions.
  • It is noted that neutrinos interact only through the weak force, with extremely small cross sections (around 10^-30 cm²), which contributes to their low interaction rates with ordinary matter.
  • One participant mentions that approximately 250,000 neutrinos pass through each cm² of the Earth's surface every second, highlighting their ability to traverse large distances without interacting.
  • Another participant discusses the negligible mass and lack of charge of neutrinos, which contribute to their weak interactions and the need for deep underground detectors to minimize interference from other particles.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the effective charge of neutrinos in weak interactions, referencing the Glashow-Salam-Weinberg theory and the relationship between weak and electromagnetic interactions.
  • Questions arise about the parameters in the equations related to neutrino interactions, such as the significance of the proton mass in the effective charge and the differences between electric and weak charges.
  • Further details are provided about the mass of exchanged particles in weak interactions compared to electromagnetic interactions, including the implications for scattering processes and the historical context of Fermi's theory of beta decay.

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Participants express differing views on the characterization of neutrinos as uninteractive, with some emphasizing experimental evidence and others focusing on theoretical interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the statement as a fact or a theory.

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Some participants reference specific experimental observations and theoretical frameworks, but there are unresolved questions about the definitions and parameters used in the discussion, particularly regarding the effective charge and the relationship between weak and electromagnetic interactions.

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If i remember correctly from astrophysics. Neutrinos are said to be relatively uninteractive. Now is that statement an theory or a fact?
whereby "fact" i mean that we see it pass through without interacting
and "theory" we observe the effects of 1 neutrino going into a system
and coming out of a system and we assume its the same one.
 
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neurocomp2003 said:
If i remember correctly from astrophysics. Neutrinos are said to be relatively uninteractive. Now is that statement an theory or a fact?
whereby "fact" i mean that we see it pass through without interacting
and "theory" we observe the effects of 1 neutrino going into a system
and coming out of a system and we assume its the same one.


I don't know if I understand your question very well, but here is a shot. Neutrinos only interact through the weak force. They have cross sections of the order 10^-30 cm^2 even at high energies (see http://pdg.lbl.gov/ for more info). This very small cross section indicates that they do not interact very easily with ordinary matter. This has been seen experimentally in supernova explosions in which the neutrinos hit the detectors hours before the photons did (there was a thread around here about this just the other week). There is nothing weird about that happening when you understand that neutrinos did not get scattered (very often) once they were produced but the photons which interact via electrodynamics, are rescattered many times in matter. So both experimentally and theoretically the weakly interacting neutrino is understood.
hope this helps.
Cheers,
Norm
 
I'm quoting from memory (so may be wrong) but about 250 000 neutrinos pass through every cm^2 of the face of the Earth facing the Sun every second! These pass straight through and out the other side. After neutrinos were theorized as an entity (to help explain the apparent energy and momentum loss in Beta decay) scientists spent about 30 years trying to detect neutrinos before they managed to finally accomplish this - this was despite the huge number of neutrinos coming from the Sun.

That gives some idea of how unreactive with matter they are. I read somewhere that the average neutrino could pass through several light years of solid lead without interacting!

Do a Google search and read about the discovery of the neutrino - it certainly took some doing!
 
Negligible mass. No charge. No strong interactions.

Neutrino detectors are typically buried very deep in the ground to filter out alternative interference. We know how many neutrios are produced in nuclear reactions from experiment. We can estimate how many of those reactions take place in the sun based on the aggregate observations of light from the sun. We can observe how many interactions there are between the heavy water in a neutrio dectector and neutrios because the interactions produce a burst of light which photomultipliers can catch. Interactivity is a function of observed detections and the number of neurtinos known to be headed our way from the sun.
 
In the Glashow-Salam-Weinberg theory of electro-weak interaction, the "charge" for "weak" interaction of a neutrino is identical to the charge for EM interactions.
The neutrino appears to interact weakly because its effective charge squared in beta decay or low energy scattering is alpha*(M_p/M_W)^2, which is quite small.
In high (very high) energy scattering neutrinos interact as strongly as electrons.
 
Dear Meir Achuz,

> alpha*(M_p/M_W)^2

What's M_p in this formula? The proton mass? If so, then why does this come into the effective charge?

Also, I thought there was a small difference between the magnitude of electric charges and weak charges, something like sqrt(3).

Carl
 
M_p is the mass of the proton. I will have to go into a bit more detail.
The difference in EM and Weak interactions (WI) is in the mass of the exchanged particle. For WI, it is the W or Z particle, whilch have masses of 80 and 90 GeV.
This puts a factor like Q^2/(M_W^2+Q^2) into the interaction (in momentum space).
Q^2 is the momentum transfer in a scattering process.
For EM, the exchanged particle is the massless photon.
The factor is of order Q'^2/Q^2~1. The two Q^2 are different, but of the same order of magnitiude. At low Q^2, the WI has the dependence Q^2/M^2.
Fermi's theory of beta decay was developed 50 years before the W and Z were known, so he used Q^2/M_p^2 in defining what became known as the "Fermi coupling constant" of WI. This is the origin of the factor (M_p/M_W)^2.
Factors like sqrt(3) or sometimes sqrt(4pi) come from varying conventions.
They don't affect the order of magnitude. The absolulte equality of the fundamental dimensionless WI and EM couplings is important in the GSW theory, because it leads to a cancellation of some high energy divergences. This was one of the original motivations.
Now, I have written a chapter.
 

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