Factoring Cubic Equations: What Methods Can Be Used?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on methods for factoring cubic equations, specifically the expression x^3 - 1. Participants explore various approaches, including the difference of cubes and the difference of squares, while also addressing potential misunderstandings and corrections related to these methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that x^3 - 1 can be factored using the difference of cubes as (x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1).
  • Others argue that the expression can also be viewed through the lens of the difference of squares, suggesting a factorization involving x^(3/2).
  • A participant mentions polynomial division as a method for deriving the general form of factoring cubic equations.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of complex numbers and suggests further factorization involving roots of unity.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of powers and whether x^3 should be considered a cube or if it can be related to squares in certain contexts.
  • Some participants express confusion over the terminology used in the thread title and its implications for the factoring methods discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for factoring the cubic equation, with multiple competing views and interpretations of the mathematical concepts involved remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of cubes and squares, as well as the applicability of different factoring methods. The discussion also highlights the complexity of polynomial division and its relationship to the factorization of cubic expressions.

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How do I factor this equation
x^3-1
 
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Difference of cubes you mean

[tex](x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1)[/tex]
 
No cubes there,just squares.

[tex]\left(x^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{2}-1^{2}[/tex]

Daniel.

P.S.Regarding a proof for the formula Cyclovenom posted,try polynomial division.
 
Isn't [tex]x \times x^2 = x^3[/tex] a cube? Or is the power of 3 now a square?! :redface:

Cyclovenom's factorisation [tex](x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1)[/tex] works fine and the problem is typically the difference of two cubes. Your factorisation works fine too.

-M
 
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It does work

[tex]a^2 - b^2 = (a+b)(a-b)[/tex]

[tex]a = x^{\frac{3}{2}}, b = 1[/tex]

[tex](x^\frac{3}{2} + 1)(x^\frac{3}{2}-1)[/tex]
 
Hey i was reading something on paper and was thinking in about 5 dimensions and it isn't always easy for me to come back down to one - so sorry.

I corrected the erratum a few minutes later when I begn thinking about complex numbers and the post now stands happy and correct.

The mistake i made was not treating the statement as
[tex]- 1^2[/tex] which equals [tex]-1[/tex]

but as
[tex](- 1)^2[/tex] which of course equals [tex]1[/tex]

-M
 
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Well yes [tex]x^3[/tex] is certainly a cube, but Daniel is saying that [tex]\left(x^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{2}=x^3[/tex].
 
z-component I was making reference to

dextercioby said:
No cubes there,just squares.
when he was talking about the difference of two cubes.

i of course was not trying to deny the fact that [tex]\left(x^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)^{2}=x^3[/tex]

-M
 
Ah, ok. I understand.
 
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Read the title of the thread "difference of squares", which would imply it's asking how to factor my difference of squares as apposed to any other method. It's probabily a mistake by the author but still...
 
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However, to get back to the question posed before dextercioby threw his monkey wrench into the machinery: x3- 1 is a sum of cubes and can be factored as x3- 1= (x-1)(x2+ x+ 1). In general xn- yn= (x-y)(xn-1+ xn-2y+ . . .+ x2yn-3+ xyn-2+ yn-1).
 
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HallsofIvy said:
However, to get back to the question posed before dextercioby threw his monkey wrench into the machinery: x3- 1 is a sum of cubes and can be factored as x3- 1= (x-1)(x2+ x+ 1). In general xn- yn= (x-y)(xn-1+ xn-2y+ . . .+ x2yn-3+ xyn-2+ yn-1).



how is that last general form, derived ?
 
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Polynomial division.You know that the polynomial [itex]P(x)=x^{n}-y^{n} \ ,\mbox{n=odd}[/itex] has at least one real root and it's easy to see that the root is "y".Therefore you know that the remainder of the division of the polynomial [itex]P(x)[/itex] through the monom [itex]x-y[/itex] is zero and all u have to do is compute the ratio.

Daniel.
 
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May I add, lettng [tex]\zeta =\frac{-1+\sqrt-3}{2}[/tex], we can continue the factorization arriving at:

[tex]X^3-Y^3 = (X-Y)(X-\zeta{Y})(X-\zeta^2Y)[/tex]
 
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roger said:
how is that last general form, derived ?

Polynomial division is one way. The other is using the formula for sum of a geometric progression.

Note that the series that HallsofIvy posted is a geometric sum with first term [itex]x^{(n-1)}[/itex] and common ratio [itex]\frac{y}{x}[/itex] giving the sum (to n terms) of :

[tex]\frac{x^{n-1}({(\frac{y}{x})}^n - 1)}{\frac{y}{x} - 1}[/tex] which reduces to [tex]\frac{y^n - x^n}{y - x}[/tex]
 

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