Survival of Human Race Without Modernization?

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The discussion revolves around the survival of the human race without modern technology and civilization, exploring the implications of our biological traits, particularly in relation to childbirth and predation. Participants consider whether humans could thrive in a primitive state, relying solely on ancestral knowledge and innate capabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how "unnatural" humans are compared to other animals, particularly regarding the duration of childbirth and vulnerability to predators.
  • One viewpoint suggests that humans would move to areas with smaller predators until they developed tools for defense.
  • Another participant argues that humans could survive without tools, asserting that with the same cognitive abilities, they would eventually create tools and dominate ecosystems.
  • It is noted that early human ancestors operated in bands to protect against predators, indicating a social structure that supported survival.
  • Some participants highlight that humans have already survived without modern civilization for significant periods, referencing the long history of hominids.
  • However, a contrasting perspective points out that primitive hunter-gatherer societies require large land areas, suggesting that not all humans could sustain themselves in such a system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some believe humans could survive and thrive without modern tools, others raise concerns about resource limitations and the feasibility of sustaining large populations in primitive conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects various assumptions about human adaptability, social structures, and ecological requirements, with no consensus on the viability of survival without modern advancements.

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My biology teacher has been known for his tall-tales and his variations of the truth...eg he talks a lot of BS but i was wondering, how unnatural are we?? i mean with a lot of animals, birth occurs in a matter of minutes whereas in humans it takes days in extreme cases, mainly hours though, and that would be easy pickings to a predator.

So i just want to know, would the human race survive if we had nothing that we have today, bar the knowledge that our ancestors have? or do our chances seem slim?


ps, i know that many native tribes and peoples (amazonians, masai, zulus, aborigines etc) have survived while having little contact with 'civilization' but then again they have clothes n other modernised items.
 
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Originally posted by jimmy p
My biology teacher has been known for his tall-tales and his variations of the truth...eg he talks a lot of BS but i was wondering, how unnatural are we?? i mean with a lot of animals, birth occurs in a matter of minutes whereas in humans it takes days in extreme cases, mainly hours though, and that would be easy pickings to a predator.

I would think we'd just move to an area with smaller predators until we developed tools to defend ourselves.
 
So we would still use tools to defend ourselves. Ok, if we HAD no tools for defence..like apes, tools are only used to smash things? what about then? lol, changing the question, but who cares, its my thread!
 
I would say we not only would survive such conditions, but we did. So long as we could have the same brain we currently have (without which we would not be "human" anymore), we would not only survive, but dominate any echosystem. There would be larger losses than we currently see, especially in the first generation, but the species would still thrive. If we started out with no tools, we would soon create them. It's what we do.
 
Our ancestors ran in bands. One of the functions of the band was for just such occasions. The males would gather to keep predators away.

And as for tools, they had tools before they were human. Before big brains became a problem. So the big brains ecolved into a system that was already able to handle the problem. If it hadn't, after all, we wouldn't be here!
 
Originally posted by jimmy p
... whereas in humans it takes days in extreme cases, mainly hours though, and that would be easy pickings to a predator.

Human moms are still able to move about during labor. It's only for the few minutes that the baby is in the birth canal that movement is really restricted. But humans are tribal and the mom has many defenders.

So i just want to know, would the human race survive if we had nothing that we have today, bar the knowledge that our ancestors have? or do our chances seem slim?

As was said, humans have already passed this test. H. sapiens were without modern civilization for something like 150,000 years. Homonids (also can be considered human) were around for about 4 million years before H. sapiens.
 
Not all of us. Primitive hunter-gatherer societies requires large tracts of land to sustain each individual, and we simply lack the resources for such systems on a large scale. But some humans will inevitably make it.
 

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