Marine creatures like crabs have 12 legs

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The discussion revolves around the anatomy and biology of marine creatures, specifically crabs, and the reasons humans cannot live underwater. It includes inquiries about crab anatomy, their feeding habits, and the evolutionary aspects of human life on land versus underwater existence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that crabs have 12 legs, with 10 being small and 2 large, while others clarify that crabs actually have 10 appendages in total.
  • There are questions about the small mouths of crabs and what they eat, with mentions of their varied diets including biofilms, algae, and other marine life.
  • One participant explains that humans cannot live underwater due to the respiratory limitations of lungs compared to gills in fish.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion about human inability to live underwater by referencing specialized fish that can breathe both air and oxygen in water.
  • Discussion includes the mechanics of gills versus lungs, highlighting the efficiency of gills in oxygen absorption and the challenges humans would face if they had gills.
  • Some participants discuss the evolutionary history of humans, suggesting that humans have been land-dwelling for a long time and speculate on the implications of returning to an aquatic lifestyle.

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Participants express differing views on the anatomy of crabs and the feasibility of human life underwater. There is no consensus on the evolutionary implications or the respiratory capabilities of humans compared to aquatic creatures.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "breathing" in different species and the evolutionary timeline of humans. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of anatomical facts about crabs and fish.

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I know marine creatures like crabs have 12 legs, 10 are small and 2 are very big. Do you know why they have small mouths ? do you know what food is for crabs ?
As a side note, I really wonder why human refuse under-water life and choose land life ? I guess perhaps because in water we hold our breath long, right ?

Thanks
 
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The reason we couldn't live underwater is because our lungs perform resperation wiht the oxygen in the air around us. Underwater creatures like fish, have other organs like gills that can get the oxygen from the water.
 
yomamma said:
The reason we couldn't live underwater is because our lungs perform resperation wiht the oxygen in the air around us. Underwater creatures like fish, have other organs like gills that can get the oxygen from the water.

Then how do you explain fish that *do* breath air *and* oxygen in water, i.e. some specialized fishes in the mangroves?
 
Craps said:
I know marine creatures like crabs have 12 legs, 10 are small and 2 are very big. Do you know why they have small mouths ? do you know what food is for crabs ?
As a side note, I really wonder why human refuse under-water life and choose land life ? I guess perhaps because in water we hold our breath long, right ?

Thanks

To begin, crabs are members of the phylum arthropoda, which includes spiders, insects and other crustaceans like shrimp, lobster, isopods (subphylum crustacea). Also they have only ten appendages in total, one pair for manipulation of objects (chelipeds) and the other four pair for walking. They have rather complicated mouth parts with small pincers and mandible types. Variations in the set-up of the mouth parts across all the crab species allow them to eat many different food types like biofilms on sand grain, vegetation like algae, or animals like molluscs, fish, etc.
 
Bladibla said:
Then how do you explain fish that *do* breath air *and* oxygen in water, i.e. some specialized fishes in the mangroves?

Are you talking about anabantoids? They have a specialised organ (the labrynth organ) for breathing air, that is separate from the gills.

As far as I'm aware, lungs are capable of removing oxygen from water, but the problem is they can't do it anywhere near fast enough to sustain a person. The oxygen content of water is quite variable, but at best, still a small fraction of that in air. The lungs also aren't designed to move water in and out the same as they can with air, as water is a lot more dense. This means that once water has entered the lungs, most of it will not leave by normal breathing, and so it cannot be replenished with oxygenated water.
Gills work by a different principle to lungs. Unlike lungs, gills have an inlet and an outlet for water, instead of it having to enter and leave through the same route. This allows water to pass through the lamellae (efficient gas absorbing parts. I'm not going to go into detail about how they work) almost constantly, increasing the amount of time that oxygen is being absorbed. Even if humans had gills, they probably would not be able to survive underwater, as they are warm blooded and require more oxygen than cold blooded creatures such as fish.
 
To speak to the "humans returning to water" question, I would think that it really goes back to how long we have, as an evolutionary line, been "out of the water". If you believe in evolution then we humans evolved from much simpler creatures a long time ago and this established our path to land-based life. It's not like an even remotely human creature crawled out of the oceans and decided to give dry land a try. Our line has been firmly entrenched ( no pun intended) on land for quite sometime and while it may not necessarily be an evolutionary step backwards for us to go return to the water, it sure would be one heck of a step sideways.
 

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