What Happens When Gases Mix or Ice is Added to Supercooled Water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around two main questions related to gas behavior and phase changes: the effects of injecting hydrogen gas into a mixture of carbon dioxide and oxygen, and the consequences of adding ice to supercooled water. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and conceptual understanding of gas laws and phase transitions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the addition of hydrogen gas will increase the total pressure in the container, while the partial pressures of CO2 and O2 remain constant due to unchanged temperature and volume.
  • Others emphasize the need for calculations to understand the contributions of each gas to the total pressure, referencing the ideal gas law (P=nRT/V).
  • Regarding the second question, some participants suggest that adding ice to supercooled water will lead to more ice precipitation and an increase in vapor pressure, while others indicate that the temperature of the water may also increase.
  • One participant encourages looking up information in textbooks regarding supercooled liquids and their behavior when disturbed, suggesting that this is a well-documented phenomenon.
  • There is a request for clarification on the total pressure exerted by CO2 and O2 before the addition of H2, indicating a desire for deeper understanding rather than just accepting answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of gas behavior, but there are differing views on the necessity of calculations and the implications of adding ice to supercooled water. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and detailed explanations sought by some participants.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions of the gases, such as whether they are at standard temperature and pressure, which may affect the interpretation of the questions. Additionally, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the necessity of calculations for understanding the gas behavior.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying gas laws, phase transitions, and those seeking clarification on the behavior of supercooled liquids and gas mixtures in a chemistry context.

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some question need to be solved!

1.) A container contains 60cm3 of CO2 and 40cm3 of O2 at room temperature and pressure conditions. If 200cm3 of H2 at room temperature and pressure is now injected into the container, which of the following would happen? :confused:
(a) The partial pressure of O2 will decrease
(b) The total pressure of the gases in the container will increase
(c) The partial pressure of CO2 and O2 remain constant
The answer given is (b) & (c),why?how to count?Please show the calculations. :smile:

2.) When a few crystals of ice are added to supercooled water at -5 degree celsius,which of the following would happen? :confused:
(a) More ice is precipitated
(b) The vapour pressure increases
(c) The temperature of the water increases
The answer given is (a),(b)&(c),why?Please provide me some explanation. :smile:
 
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1)From now on you'll need to show some work, the answer is fairly simple, pressure is a directly consequence of temperature and moles of the ideal molecule in question, neither will change with the addition of a separate gas at the same temperature.

2)Ice freezes at 0 degrees, what happens if supercooled liquid is disturbed? The answer should be obvious, it can be found in your text. The rest...epiphany
 
sorry

sorry,i still don't get what u mean.
the first question,i had already count,but i just can't get the answer,that's why i need someone to show the calculations for me.thanks
for the second one,i need some explanation,i don't want to just accept the answer,but i want to know why.if i just accept the answer given,what have i learn?nothing at all. :confused:
 
number 1 is pretty easy, think about it, gasses don't acquire different pressures, so if you inject more gas (no matter what it is) into a container whcih does not change shape the pressure of the whole thing goes up...

i think,
 
well no calculations are needed. question number 1 indicates that the gaseous hydrogen is at the same temperature as oxygen and carbon dioxide, there will not be change in temperature, just a change in the net pressure. Furthermore, adding the gas does nothing to change the number of molecules and the temperature of oxygen and carbon dioxide, remember P=nRT/V...V, R, n, and T are all constant for oxygen and carbon dioxide despite the addition, thus their contribution to the partial pressure remains the same.

Again, for the second one...read your text. Search through the index for supercooled liquids, it should give you an explicit answer. Especially pay attention to when they explain what happens when a supercooled liquid is disturbed. If you still can't figure it out, then I'll be glad to help you out.
 
thank you

thank you for your explanation.I hope u don't mind if u can tell me the total pressure that CO2 and O2 exerted before H2 is added in. :wink:

i found out that the website that u recommend me is very useful,especially the MSN one,that is for general chemistry ,right?
can i know the same MSN one for biology and math? :smile:

anyway,thanks a lot for helping me,u r so kind. o:)
 
yep it's for chemistry, but you can also ask organic I, II as well as the labs. I don't know of any biology or math MSN forums that are quite active. The biology forums here at PF are certainly nice and definitely the math subforum, it it is not sufficient you can try http://www.mathforums.com, especially a lot of active math forums out there.

Did the original question imply standard temperature and pressure? Standard pressure is 1 atm, that's a given, the wording of the question is not so clear, but I'm guessing

[tex]P_{o2}+P_{co2}=1 atm[/tex]

Again, the question does not emphasize calculation.
 

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