How Can You Analyze the Expression of a Traveling Wave?

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the expression of a traveling wave represented by the formula y_1(x,t) = Asin(kx - wt). Participants explore the mathematical manipulation of wave functions, particularly focusing on the sum of two waves traveling in opposite directions and how to express this sum in terms of separate functions of displacement and time.

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  • Participants discuss the application of trigonometric identities to combine wave functions. There are attempts to derive expressions for y_e(x) and y_t(t) from the combined wave function. Questions arise regarding the correct application of identities and the interpretation of results.

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Consider a traveling wave described by the formula

y_1(x,t) = Asin(kx - wt).

This function might represent the lateral displacement of a string, a local electric field, the position of the surface of a body of water, or any of a number of other physical manifestations of waves.

The expression for a wave of the same amplitude that is traveling in the opposite direction is Asin(kx + wt).

The sum of these 2 waves can be written in the form y_s(x,t) = y_e(x)*y_t(t). Where y_e only depends on displacement and y_t depends on the time.

Find y_e(x) and y_t(t). Keep in mind that y_t(t) should be a trigonometric function of unit amplitude. Express your answers in terms of A, k, x, w, and t.

I know I'm meant to use the identity sin(A-B) = sinAcosB - cosAsinB, but I don't know how to apply it.

Any help would be great.

Thank you.
 
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[tex]A\sin\left(kx+\omega t\right)+A\sin\left(kx-\omega t\right)[/tex]

Factor "A" and use the identity

[tex]\sin\left(\alpha+\beta\right)=\sin\alpha\cos\beta+\sin\beta\cos\alpha[/tex]

for

[tex]\left\{\begin{array}{cc}\alpha = kx & \beta=\omega t\\ \alpha=kx & \beta=-\omega t\end{array}\right[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Ok, I got A[2sinkxcoswt + 2coskxsinwt]. How do you then go from this to finding y_e(x) and y_t(t)?
 
Nope.Use the fact that

[tex]\sin \left(-\beta\right)=-\sin\beta[/tex]

Post the result.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Nope.Use the fact that

[tex]\sin \left(-\beta\right)=-\sin\beta[/tex]

Post the result.

Daniel.

I end up with that answer and I am using that fact.

For the first bit, Asin(kx-wt) = A[sinkxcoswt+sinwtcoskx]
For the second bit Asin(kx-wt) = A[sinkxcos(-wt)-sin(-wt)coskx]

cos(-wt) = coswt
sin(-wt) = -sin(wt)

Therefore, for the second bit, A[sinkxcoswt-(-sinwt)coskx] = A[sinkxcoswt+sinwtcoskx].

I'm not sure what I'm getting wrong.
 
Nope.

[tex]A\sin\left(kx-\omega t\right)=A\sin\left(kx+\left(-\omega t\right)\right)=A\left(\sin kx\cos\omega t-\sin \omega t\cos kx\right)[/tex]

Okay?

Daniel.
 
So it's 2Asinkxcoswt? How do you use that to find y_e(x) and y_t(t)?
 
If add them,u'll get

[tex]y_{e}(x)y_{t}(t)=2A\sin kx\cos\omega t[/tex]

Do you see which is which...??

Daniel.
 
Yep, I've got it.

Thanks :smile:
 

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