Calculus Questions: Help Solve 1.2m^3/min & 20km/h Challenges!

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The discussion revolves around two calculus problems involving rates of change. The first problem concerns a funnel-shaped hopper from which grain is emptying at a specified rate, and the second involves a cyclist traveling in two perpendicular directions and determining the rate at which the distance from the starting point is increasing.

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of "half full" in the context of the first problem, questioning whether it refers to half the height or half the volume of the hopper.
  • Some participants suggest drawing diagrams to visualize the problems, particularly the geometry involved in the funnel and the cyclist's path.
  • There is a discussion about the correct application of the Pythagorean theorem in the second problem, with participants considering how to express the distances traveled in terms of time.
  • One participant raises a concern about the terminology used in differentiation, clarifying the difference between implicit and explicit differentiation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problems without reaching a consensus. Some have offered insights into the geometry and calculus concepts involved, while others are still seeking clarification on specific points.

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Participants note that the original poster is restricted from seeking help from their teacher due to assignment rules, which may influence the nature of the discussion and the types of guidance provided.

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Ok, so I got this assignment for Calculus class, and I'm having a hell of a time figuring it out, so is my tutor. Here are the 2 questions:

1.) Grain is emptying from the bottom of a funnel shaped hopper at 1.2m^3/min. If the diameter of the top of the hopper is 5m and the sides make an angle of 30(degrees) with the vertical. Determine the rate at which the level of grain in the hopper is changing, when it is half full.

2.) A cyclist traveling 20km/h rides east for one half hour, then north for one hour. How fast is the distance from the cyclist to the starting point increasing when the cyclist has been riding for 1.5h at 20km/h?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I really need to get these questions right, I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS!

P.S. I would have asked my teacher for help, but since it's an assignment, were not allowed to ask for help from her, and my tutor didn't help much, I would really really appreciate if someobody could help me.

Thank you.
 
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Say what are your ideas to solve that?
 
Keyboard said:
1.) Grain is emptying from the bottom of a funnel shaped hopper at 1.2m^3/min. If the diameter of the top of the hopper is 5m and the sides make an angle of 30(degrees) with the vertical. Determine the rate at which the level of grain in the hopper is changing, when it is half full.
Does "half full" mean half the height, or half the volume?
 
It doesn't specify.
 
Keyboard said:
I would have asked my teacher for help, but since it's an assignment, were not allowed to ask for help from her

When are you allowed to ask for help from her? :bugeye:
 
Ah, rate problems.

When doing these problems always start with a diagram (you don't need to post an image of it). What you have in the first question as a funnel is an upsidedown cone. Draw this and put down your givens.

What is the equation for the volume of a cone?
 
jtbell said:
When are you allowed to ask for help from her?
Only when you don't need it! :smile:

1) The funnel is a cone, so start by drawing a pricture! You are told that the height of the funnel is 5 meters and that the sides make an angle of 30 degrees with the vertical. From your picture it should be easy to see that the radius (of the top circle) is height times tan(30). Now write down the equation for volume of a cone as a function of height and radius (I'll be that's in your text). Replacing r by h*tan(30) gives you V as a function of h only. Since you want "rate at which the level of grain in the hopper is changing", i.e. dh/dt, and you are told "Grain is emptying from the bottom of a funnel shaped hopper at 1.2m^3/min", i.e. dV/dt= -1.2, differentiate both sides of the equation with respect to time t and solve for dh/dt. Of course, that will depend upon both h and V. I would interpret "half full" as meaning half the volume (although I might also make that explicit in my answer) so you will need to calculate the initial volume of the funnel and find half of that. You will also need to calculate what h is when V is half its initial value.

2) How far east did the cyclist go in 1/2 hour? How far north did the cyclist go in the hour? Now draw a picture showing his initial position, his route east and his route n and connect his initial point to his final point. Do you see a right triangle? Do you remember the Pythagorean theorem? The east leg of the triangle has constant length, of course (the distance you calculated for my first question). As long as he is riding north, the length of the north leg is 20t where t is the time since he turned north. Can you write the length of the hypotenuse in terms of t? Differentiate both sides of that with respect to t to find the rate of change.

(The real question is "why would a motorcylist ride 1 and 1/2 hours at 20 stinking km per hour!?")
 
HallsofIvy said:
1) The funnel is a cone, so start by drawing a pricture! You are told that the height of the funnel is 5 meters and that the sides make an angle of 30 degrees with the vertical. From your picture it should be easy to see that the radius (of the top circle) is height times tan(30).
But that is not quite correct, the problem states "the diameter of the top of the hopper is 5m and the sides make an angle of 30(degrees) with the vertical." So you are given the radius of the top circle (1/2 diameter = 2.5m), and you need to use tan(30) to find the height.
 
Ouch! Thanks for catching that.
 
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Ok, so my friend helped me get to this step:

This is what one of my friends told me to do:
this is EXPLICIT defferentiation! derevie expilictly with respect to C, so you get:

2*C*C' = 2A * A' + 2B*B' (second part my be wrong,so check it, but you can't expect to get the whole solution, right ?)

A' and B' are the speed he traveled at (20km/hr), A is time, B is time, C is time (1.11) and C' is what you are looking for.

How do I solve for C'?

Thanks!
 
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First, that is not "explicit" differentiation- it is "implicit" differentiation. "Explicit" differentiation would, I guess, be just regular differentiation! If you don't see why, look up "implicit" and "explicit" in a dictionary.

As far as solving 2C C'= 2AA'+ 2BB', if you are taking calculus, you should be embarassed by this: divide both sides of the equation by 2C!

C'= (A/C)A'+ (B/C)B'

BUT! Assuming this is the second problem you originally gave, at the moment in question, the bicyclist has alread gone east at 20km/h for 1/2 hour- that is 10 km-
and turned north. In other words the Pythagorean theorem in this case is just
C2= 10o+ B2 where B is the distance north. Differentiating that with respect to t, 2C C'= 2B B' so C'= (B/C)B'. (That's the same as taking A= 10, A'= 0 in the previous equation.)
At the moment in question the cyclist has riding north at 20 km/h for one and a half hours: B= 30 km and B'= 20 km/h. Of course, C is given by C2= 100+ 900= 1000.
 

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