Quantum Measurement: Showing Z No Info on Source States

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around quantum measurement, specifically addressing how to demonstrate that a measurement of the operator Z does not provide information about the emitted quantum states from a source. Participants also explore how to distinguish between two specific quantum states emitted by a source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a state emitted by a source and questions how to show that measuring the operator Z yields no information about the source state, suggesting a probability calculation approach.
  • Another participant proposes a new measurement question involving two states that can be distinguished, noting their orthonormality but expressing uncertainty about the measurement method.
  • There is a suggestion to define a new observable Z' with appropriate eigenvectors to facilitate the measurement of the two states.
  • A participant acknowledges the oversight in trying to express the states using standard operators instead of defining their own measurement basis.
  • One participant confirms a proposed measurement operator M for distinguishing the two states, indicating it is correct for the eigenvalues +1 and -1, while also noting flexibility in selecting other eigenvalues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and explore different approaches to measurement without reaching a consensus on the best method for distinguishing the states or the implications of the Z measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific definitions and assumptions regarding quantum states and measurements, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of measurement operators.

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Individuals interested in quantum mechanics, quantum information theory, and measurement theory may find the exploration of these concepts relevant.

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Just working through some more quantum information stuff, and have come across a stumbling block - I'm clearly missing something obvious.

Consider a source emits states [itex]|\Phi\rangle = \cos\theta |0\rangle + e^{i\phi}\sin\theta |1\rangle[/itex] with fixed [itex]\theta[/itex] and random phases [itex]\phi[/itex], with equal probability for each phase.

How can I show that a measurement of the operator Z ([itex]Z|0\rangle = |0\rangle , Z|1\rangle = -|1\rangle[/itex]) doesn't yield any information about the state emitted by the source?
 
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James Jackson said:
Just working through some more quantum information stuff, and have come across a stumbling block - I'm clearly missing something obvious.

Consider a source emits states [itex]|\Phi\rangle = \cos\theta |0\rangle + e^{i\phi}\sin\theta |1\rangle[/itex] with fixed [itex]\theta[/itex] and random phases [itex]\phi[/itex], with equal probability for each phase.

How can I show that a measurement of the operator Z ([itex]Z|0\rangle = |0\rangle , Z|1\rangle = -|1\rangle[/itex]) doesn't yield any information about the state emitted by the source?

Just by computing the probability values: P(Z=0,|psi>)=<psi||0><O||psi> and P(Z=-1,|psi>)=<psi||1><1||psi> (<0|1>=0)

Seratend.
 
Thanks, I was pretty sure it was something simple I was overlooking - wood for the trees and all that!

This leads on to another measurement question: Suppose a source emits two states:

[tex]|\Phi_1\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0\rangle + e^{i\phi}|1\rangle)[/tex]
[tex]|\Phi_2\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0\rangle - e^{i\phi}|1\rangle)[/tex]

Where [itex]\phi[/itex] is an arbitary fixed phase. What measurement can be used to distinguish between the two states? They form an orthonormal set, so clearly can be distinguished, I just can't see 'how' to measure them.
 
James Jackson said:
Thanks, I was pretty sure it was something simple I was overlooking - wood for the trees and all that!

This leads on to another measurement question: Suppose a source emits two states:

[tex]|\Phi_1\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0\rangle + e^{i\phi}|1\rangle)[/tex]
[tex]|\Phi_2\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0\rangle - e^{i\phi}|1\rangle)[/tex]

Where [itex]\phi[/itex] is an arbitary fixed phase. What measurement can be used to distinguish between the two states? They form an orthonormal set, so clearly can be distinguished, I just can't see 'how' to measure them.

Just define another observable Z' with the good set of eigenvectors. I think now you are able to guess what vectors you have to choose.

Seratend.
 
Ah of course. I was trying to express the states as linear combinations of the eigenvectors of 'standard' operators rather than define my own.

Thanks for the pointers.
 
Just to confirm, would it be correct to define the measurement

[tex]M=|\Phi_1\rangle\langle\Phi_1 |-|\Phi_2\rangle\langle\Phi_2 |[/tex] to measure the states above?

(Edited to change + to -)
 
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James Jackson said:
Just to confirm, would it be correct to define the measurement

[tex]M=|\Phi_1\rangle\langle\Phi_1 |-|\Phi_2\rangle\langle\Phi_2 |[/tex] to measure the states above?

(Edited to change + to -)

Yes for the eigenvalues +1 and -1 (but you are free to select others).

Seratend.
 

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