Evolutionary Theory On Cognition and Behavior

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of evolutionary theory on cognition and behavior, particularly in relation to intelligence and race. Participants reference various research papers and express differing views on the validity and interpretation of these studies, as well as the broader societal implications of their findings.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share links to research published in the American Psychological Association's journal, suggesting it provides insights into genetic influences on intelligence.
  • One participant argues that denying genetic effects on intelligence is unrealistic and emphasizes the need for policies based on these findings.
  • Others counter that the research is racially biased and that discussions around it often lead to entrenched positions that are difficult to change.
  • There are claims that while some researchers may have agendas, not all findings should be dismissed as racist, and some participants express respect for the work of Jensen while criticizing Rushton.
  • Concerns are raised about the methodologies used in the studies, with participants noting flaws on both sides of the debate.
  • One participant suggests closing the thread to prevent further escalation of the discussion into more extreme viewpoints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express significant disagreement regarding the interpretation of the research and its implications, with no consensus reached on the validity of the studies or the motivations of the researchers involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the methodologies of the studies referenced, and participants acknowledge flaws in both the supporting and opposing arguments.

Dennis4
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Here is a summary of the research published in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-04/cdri-bai042505.php

Also see http://www.news-medical.net/print_article.asp?id=9530

Comments?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Biology news on Phys.org
Dennis4 said:
Doing a search, I found the actual American Psychological Association research paper itself, free to download and read: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/journals/pppl/200504/

Excellent. Particularly Rushton & Jensen's reply, the last paper in the list. People who deny the genetic effect on g, or the black white gap on g-loaded abilities, are living in a dream world.

It is truly sad that this is so, but we will have no success with policies based on sentimental falsehoods. We need to face up to the real needs of the black community.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I think it's a rehash of the same racially biased stuff from the same racially biased people. We've discussed this stuff ad nauseum here and it's like religion, no point arguing about it, you're not going to change anyone's mind on either side of the fence.
 
Evo said:
I think it's a rehash of the same racially biased stuff from the same racially biased people. We've discussed this stuff ad nauseum here and it's like religion, no point arguing about it, you're not going to change anyone's mind on either side of the fence.

I could agree with your second sentence, but your first one is an insult to Rushton, to Jensen, and to me. Could you just climb down off your high horse and look at the evidence they marshall?
 
No offense was intended to you SA, I apologize, I should have been more specific, and a person can agree with their findings without being racist, but honestly, it is a widely held opinion of them for various reasons and Rushton certainly does have an agenda.

I do think Jensen is not to be lumped in wholesale with the likes of Rushton though. Jensen, in my opinion, is of a higher caliber and I do find a lot of his work was well done.

I have read many of the papers referenced and the papers that have debunked them and I tend to see flaws on both sides, the methods used in many of the papers cited, however, do tend to have questionable results.
 
Evo said:
No offense was intended to you SA, I apologize, I should have been more specific, and a person can agree with their findings without being racist, but honestly, it is a widely held opinion of them for various reasons and Rushton certainly does have an agenda.

I do think Jensen is not to be lumped in wholesale with the likes of Rushton though. Jensen, in my opinion, is of a higher caliber and I do find a lot of his work was well done.

I have read many of the papers referenced and the papers that have debunked them and I tend to see flaws on both sides, the methods used in many of the papers cited, however, do tend to have questionable results.


With that said, I think we can close this thread before the real racists and tabula rasists find it and corrupt it..
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 44 ·
2
Replies
44
Views
24K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
7K
Replies
40
Views
11K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
7K
Replies
21
Views
6K