Is Spacetime Unique to Relativity or Present in Quantum Mechanics?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Gammaboy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Concept Spacetime
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between spacetime as proposed in the theory of relativity and its presence or absence in quantum mechanics. Participants question whether the concept of spacetime is unique to relativity and if it applies at all levels, including the subatomic scale, while also examining the implications for quantum field theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if relativity is the first theory to propose the interweaving of space and time into spacetime.
  • Another participant asserts that relativity applies universally and that quantum theory requires the inclusion of special relativity.
  • It is noted that relativity introduces an invariant spacetime interval between events, which is a novel concept.
  • Questions arise regarding whether quantum field theory includes only special relativity or if it can incorporate general relativity as well.
  • Some participants mention that quantum field theory can be applied in curved spacetime, which relates to concepts like Hawking radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of unifying gravity with quantum mechanics, with string theory mentioned as a potential candidate for a solution.
  • The distinction between special and general relativity is highlighted, particularly in how they treat spacetime and gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between spacetime, relativity, and quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on whether spacetime is unique to relativity or how it is treated in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of spacetime and the interpretations of quantum mechanics and relativity. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the integration of gravity into quantum frameworks.

Gammaboy
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Hello, I'm new to the forums here but I just wanted to ask a couple of questions.

Is the theory of Relativity unique in its proposal that space and time are interwoven? Basically, was it the first theory to make such a claim that there exists not only space and not only time but spacetime?

Also, is this spacetime believed to be present in all levels, even in the subatomic level?

Does Quantum Mechanics mention anything about space and time or is spacetime something unique to Relativity?

Sorry about the long series of questions and sorry if they seem a little trivial. Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The theory of relativity applies to everything. In particular the complete quantum theory required the inclusion of special relativity (Dirac - 1927).
 
Relativity states that between two events (two handclappings, two blinks of a light or whatever you choose for two events) there is a observer-independent invariant interval, the so- called spacetime interval. With observer we mean inertial (non-accelerating to each other) observers. Relativity was novel in proclaiming this kind of interwoven concept of space and time.
Relativity applies for the entire universe at all levels, even though it can be neglected in calculations where only small velocities/ energies are involved (or little mass, in the case of general relativity). In these cases non-relativistic quantum mechanics is being used.
But to have a complete description of nature, relativity definitely has to be accounted for in quantum mechanics. Then you have quantum field theory.
 
Ratzinger:
So this "quantum field theory" only includes Special Relativity?
 
Gammaboy said:
Ratzinger:
So this "quantum field theory" only includes Special Relativity?

You can do "quantum field theory" in curved space-time. This sort of theory is where Hawking radiation comes from. This is short of a full marriage of GR and quantum mechanics, though, because gravity is not quantized in this theory, it's still treated classically.

Special relativity introduces the concept of space-time as unified idea because space and time get "mixed together" by the Lorentz transform, much as North and East get "mixed together" by rotational transforms.

GR introduces the idea that space-time must be "curved" to explain gravity.
 
As pervect said - the unification of space and time into spacetime is consequent to the transforms - although Minkowski is frequently credited with being the first to state the principle per se - his contribution was simply a convenient way to describe things graphically.
 
So this "quantum field theory" only includes Special Relativity?

Yes. It's the marriage of Quantum mechanics and special relativity.
Combining quantum mechanics and general relativity has so far not worked out. Leading canditate for solving that problem is for many string theory.
 
Gravity cannot currently be unified with the other forces. The best treatment to date models gravity as curved space-time, and other forces with a fully quantum mechanical model.

This approach combines general relativity and QFT, but because it does not quantize gravity, it is not a "theory of everything" such as M-theory is supposed to be.

The approach does involve the use of GR, because it requires considering space-time as curved, which is a hallmark of GR and not included in SR.

This approach (QFT in curved space-time) is what predicts the Hawking radiation at the event horizon of a black hole.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 56 ·
2
Replies
56
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
5K
  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
8K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K