Why Must Alkene Oxidative Cleavage Solutions be Basic and Hot?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for the oxidative cleavage of alkenes, specifically focusing on why basic and hot solutions are required for this reaction. Participants explore the roles of temperature and pH in the reaction mechanism, touching on concepts from organic chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why oxidative cleavage of alkenes requires hot and basic conditions, suggesting a lack of understanding of the underlying chemistry.
  • Another participant notes that hot reactions generally proceed faster due to increased molecular energy and collision frequency, but expresses uncertainty about the role of acidity or basicity.
  • It is proposed that an excess of OH- in solution aids the reaction by facilitating the removal of reduced manganese species and is necessary for the final oxidation to carboxylic acids.
  • A different perspective is presented, stating that acidic conditions are required for converting primary alcohols to carboxylic acids, implying a contrast with the basic conditions needed for alkene cleavage.
  • One participant mentions that chromium oxidation requires acidic conditions to generate chromic acid, which is the active oxidizing agent, indicating a different mechanism from that of permanganate oxidation.
  • Another participant suggests that acidic KMnO4 can also oxidize alcohols and aldehydes to carboxylic acids, questioning the necessity of basic conditions and emphasizing the importance of nucleophiles in the reaction.
  • It is noted that similar effects occur with OsO4, where a workup is needed to cleave the osmium-organic complex after dihydroxylation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of basic versus acidic conditions for oxidative cleavage and related reactions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mechanisms and conditions for oxidation reactions, highlighting the complexity and specificity of different reagents and their roles in organic transformations.

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Alkenes are oxidatively cleaved to alts of carboxylic acids, by hot basic permanganate solutions. However, I don't understand why the solutions need to be basic and hot? Why can't it be cold or acidic?

Please tell me. :confused:
 
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Hot reactions proceed faster than cold reactions simply because the molecules have more energy, and also they collide more often. acidic or basic usually has to do with some sort of catalytic reaction IDK much aboot organic chem, so I will leave that question to other members.
 
I think that an excess of OH- in solution facilitates the reaction by cleaving the reduced manganese species off of the organic substrate. It's probably also necessary to initiate the final oxidation from aldehyde to carboxylic acid. In acidic solution then there wouldn't be any good nucleophiles, just water.
 
A primary alchol can become a carboxylic acid but the alchol needs an acidificed dichromate solution (e.g. potassium dichromate solution) or sulphuric acid (well simply concentrated acid). If I have understood the question, you are asking how to make a carboxylic from an alchol. So I would say it has to be acidic.

To make an alchol from an alkene does need a base for the electrophilic addition.

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In the case of a chromium oxidation you need the acid to facilitate making chromic acid, which is the active oxidizing agent. It's a different mechanism.
 
That would explain it then. That is the only mechanism I have come across at the moment.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
I read that acidic KMnO4 can also oxidize alcohols and aldehydes to carboxylic acids, so maybe the "basic" part isn't so important for that. I also read that hydroxide accelerates the cleavage of the manganese species after the dihydroxylation step of the alkene cleavage process. So, I would guess that the nucleophile is most important there.

The same effect is true with OsO4. If you use a stoichiometric amount of the osmium, then you have to do a workup that is capable of cleaving the osmium-organic complex before you can isolate the dihydroxylation product.
 

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