Is it Safe to Touch Wall Outlet Plus?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the safety of touching the positive terminal of a wall outlet, particularly under various conditions such as not being in contact with the ground. Participants explore the principles of electrical potential, grounding, and the conditions under which electric shock may occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether touching only the positive terminal of a wall outlet would result in a shock if not grounded.
  • Another participant explains that electricity requires a potential difference to flow, emphasizing that if the body is at the same potential, no current flows.
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of touching live wires, even with insulating footwear, due to the potential for current to jump across gaps.
  • A participant uses the example of birds on power lines to illustrate that without a path to ground, one may not get shocked.
  • Questions arise regarding the effectiveness of insulating materials, such as tennis shoes, and whether cement conducts electricity, with a hypothesis that all materials conduct at high enough potentials.
  • Another participant elaborates on the analogy of a ball falling to the ground to explain how electricity behaves, suggesting that wet animals like squirrels could provide a path for electricity, unlike birds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that a potential difference is necessary for electricity to flow, but there are differing views on the specifics of safety when touching electrical components and the conditions under which shocks may occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the conditions that lead to electric shock, including the role of insulation and grounding, and the behavior of animals on power lines. There are unresolved questions about the conductivity of various materials and the implications for safety.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring electrical safety, the principles of electricity, and the behavior of animals in electrical environments.

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if u only touch the + of ur wall outlet would it shock u? What if ur feet are not touching the ground or carpet?
 
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Electricity requires a potential DIFFERENCE to flow. If your entire body is at the same potential, no current flows anywhere.

Potential is also a quantity that only has meaning in terms of a difference. You're free to select the "zero" of potential anywhere you'd like.

If you touch the + terminal of a 1000V battery, you're at potential of 1000V with respect to the - terminal. Of course, you're also at a potential of 0V with respect to the + terminal. Both descriptions are perfectly valid and correct.

All that being said, I'd advise you not to go grabbing the hot wire in your house's electrical system -- 120V can jump across sizeable air gaps, and you'd have a really hard time truly isolating yourself from ground.

- Warren
 
The answer lies in what happens to birds sitting on a power line.

If you do not provide a path to ground or nuetral you will not get shocked.
 
Will i get shock if I'm wearing tenis shoes and touch the + at the same time? Since shoes are good insulator, i shouldn't get shock right? Does cerment conduct electricity? I'm guessing all things conduct if the potential is high enough.

So how come birds doesn't get shock when pirch on power lines? Is it possible for them to get shock even though they are not touching the ground or other wires?
 
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Birds don’t get shocked when they perch on power lines because they do not provide a good path for the electricity to get to the ground. As said above electricity requires a potential difference to flow. A physical analogy is close to this. Let's say you wanted to drop a ball from some height to the floor. You let the ball fall. I will fall until it hits the ground. Applying this to electricity. Have you ever seen a squirrel running across a power line after a storm? Personally I haven't but I can guess. The wet squirrel unlike the bird can provide an excellent path for the electricity when crossing from the power lines (high potential with respect to ground) so some other object, tree or pole (ground). Anyway there would not be much let of the squirrel. Lesson to be learned, ahhh "better squirrel trap"?
 

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