Proton and anti-proton annihilation can produce extra pions

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The discussion centers on the differences in annihilation products between proton-antiproton interactions and electron-positron interactions, particularly focusing on the production of pions and photons. It explores theoretical frameworks, particle interactions, and energy considerations in particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why proton-antiproton annihilation can produce extra pions in addition to photons, while electron-positron interactions primarily yield photons.
  • One participant suggests considering the rest masses and the composite nature of protons, which may lead to quark processes resulting in pions.
  • Another participant asserts that electron-positron interactions can produce various particles beyond photon pairs, referencing external sources for clarification.
  • It is noted that the kinetic energy of the colliding particles influences the annihilation products, with higher energy allowing for additional particle formation.
  • Some participants discuss the role of total energy and conservation laws in determining the products of annihilation events.
  • One participant explains the distinction between electromagnetic and hadronic showers, emphasizing that even at high energies, electron-positron collisions yield fewer hadrons compared to proton-antiproton collisions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of color charge and its implications for quark interactions in proton collisions, suggesting that non-color-neutral configurations lead to the production of additional pions from the vacuum.
  • It is mentioned that protons and antiprotons engage in strong interactions with pions, unlike electrons and positrons, which primarily interact through electromagnetic forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the production of pions and photons in particle annihilation, indicating that multiple competing explanations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about energy thresholds and the nature of particle interactions, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted among participants.

Doruk
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Why do proton and anti-proton annihilation can produce extra pions, in addition to the photons; whereas the electron and positron interaction only gives photons?
 
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Think about the rest masses before employing the machinery of Feynman diagrams.Apart from the neutrinos,the electron & its antiparticle are the lightest massive particles.

Then you could employ Feynman calculus and assert that the proton is a composite particle and several quark processes take place,whivh could result in bound states like pions.

Daniel.
 
One has to consider the kinetic energy of the incident (mostly likely anti-proton) particle in order to understand the possible annihilation products.

Annihilation of colliding positron-electron pairs will produce particles other than photons provided the kinetic energy is above certain thresholds.

In a collision, the additional kinetic energy allows for other particles to be formed as demonstrated in the link provided by juvenal.
 
Juvenal, it looks, there are lots of different possibilities relating to the outcome products. Are they all by chance or is there a mechanism involved?
 
The products will be determined by the total energy available and the other conservation laws.
 
One calculates the differential cross section for a particular scattering process using the standard model. This essentially gives the probability distribution for that process.

If the process is mostly QED - e+e- -> e+e-, mu+mu-, etc, then the cross section is well known. (In fact it's one of the first calculations one does in a particle physics class). If QCD is involved, it can get ugly.
 
Doruk,

Your question about proton / antiproton collisions mostly making pions, while electron / positron collisions mostly making photons deals with the fascinating subject of the difference betweeen "electromagnetic" showers and "hadronic" showers. The differences in rest mass is not the answer. You can accelerate electrons and positrons up to energies far in excess of the rest mass of the proton, and still the results of the collision will give fewer hadrons than a proton / antiproton collision at the same energy.

This is a fact that is well known to people who read papers on cosmic rays because one can distinguish the primary particles in cosmic rays by looking at the ratio of hadronic (i.e. pions) to electromagnetic (i.e. photons, electrons and positrons) in their showers. I just finished an outlandish paper that touches on this subject:
http://www.brannenworks.com/PHENO2005.pdf

An intuitive explanation (that is wrong in that it ignores gluons and stuff) I've seen for the extra pions produced in hadronic interactions, is to say that at short distances, the quarks act like free particles. So when you have a collision between protons, the 6 quarks involved are very likely to end up split in ways that are not color neutral. For example, three quarks might go one way, one another way, and the other two in a third direction.

There is no problem with such a collision at first, but if the debris is not color neutral, and since the color force increases with distance, the separating quarks cause the vacuum to make more quark antiquark pairs. So all those extra pions get extracted from the vacuum by the color force.

Since leptons don't have color charge, their collisions don't make nearly as many pions.

Carl
 
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Protons and antiprotons have strong interactions with pions, but electrons and positrons do not. Most p-pbar annihilations do not produce photons, because that requires the weaker EM interaction.
 

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