Finding K-Byte Substrings in Two Long Strings

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The discussion revolves around finding k-byte substrings that occur in two long strings. Participants explore various algorithms and data structures to efficiently identify these substrings, considering both memory usage and performance. The conversation includes theoretical approaches and practical implementations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a hash table to store k-byte substrings from the first string and look them up in the second string, noting concerns about memory requirements.
  • Another participant suggests building a finite state machine to recognize k-byte substrings, aiming for O(s) memory usage, but expresses uncertainty about the implementation.
  • A different participant recommends the Boyer-Moore algorithm, mentioning its performance characteristics.
  • One participant suggests using a tree structure that branches on the k elements of the substring, allowing for efficient parsing through the second string.
  • There is discussion about the choice of k, with one participant unsure of the optimal value and considering the implications for performance.
  • A participant mentions a potential improvement to the Boyer-Moore algorithm, referencing "IntroSearch" and its adaptive nature.
  • Another participant identifies the tree structure suggested as a suffix tree and provides a link for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of approaches and ideas, with no consensus reached on a single method or algorithm. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best strategy for finding k-byte substrings.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the trade-offs between memory usage and performance, with some methods potentially being more suitable depending on the specific characteristics of the strings involved. The choice of k and its impact on algorithm efficiency is also a point of consideration.

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I have two very long strings of length s and t. I want to find every k-byte substring that occurs in both of them. What good ways are there to do that?

My current algorithm is to store each k-byte substring of the first in a hash table, then look up every k-byte substring of the second. A reasonable algorithm, but the O(k*s) memory requirement is getting to be bothersome.

On the other hand, I simply cannot afford the O(k*s*t) performance of the naive method.


For some reason, I'm sure there has to be a good algorithm for doing exactly this, but I can't remember it.


Now, I have thought that I might be able to build a finite state machine that recognizes k-byte substrings of s, and will probably only take up O(s) memory, and might even be faster than the hash table. But, I haven't worked out a way to build the state machine. (It defeats my purposes if I need more than O(s) memory to build the state machine!)


I'm sorry if any of these are easy questions... I'm fairly exhausted today. =)
 
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Oh, by the way... if you can take advantage of the fact that one of these strings will generally remain constant, but I might want to change the other one a lot, that would be nice too. =) Pretty easy with the hash table idea.
 
See the Boyer-Moor algorithm. I believe the best case is O(n/m) and the worst case is O(n).
 
Hmm

Instead of using a hash, I would use a tree, which branches on the k elements in your substring.

Then, for each of the leaf nodes in the tree, place a reference to the corresponding branch for the 'tail' of that node. For example, the 'asdf' node would point to the 'sdf' node. That way, as you parse through the second string, you can remove and add one character to your window at a time easily.

Because there is overhead associated with the back references and whatnot, you won't get the best possible storage, but it should have good storage complexity as related to string size.
 
Hrm. So, I think you're suggesting I take each k-byte substring of the first one, and look for it in the other using this algorithm.

I get to pick k, I'm not sure what I really want it to be... I was using 8 for my hashtable implementation, but a few hundred might be okay too.


This approach is clearly not memory intensive, but I'll have to figure out if it would be fast enough -- I'm pretty sure O(mn) is far too much, but maybe O(mn/k) won't be?


Or, maybe there's a clever way to tweak the algorithm for my problem -- it really seems like it should be adaptable to look for many patterns at once. My gut feeling is that I need to do this to get a reasonable running time.
 
What you suggest, Nate, sounds similar to what I was thinking with my state machine idea. I don't think backreferences are necessary -- you just need to know to which state to transition on each possible character.

(Note that the hash table also allows quick sliding, at least with the appropriate hash function)


(P.S. for those interested I remember reading about an improvement on the Boyer-Moore algorithm -- "IntroSearch" or something like that. Basically, it keeps track of how poorly it does, and switches over to the other algorithm that has the better worst-case performance. I couldn't remember what it was until y'all reminded me though. There's a sorting algorithm with a similar idea, "IntroSort", which switches over to heap sort when the quicksort performs poorly. I think it's even implemented in GNU's implementation of the C++ STL)
 

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