Is the Absolute Value of an Integrable Function Also Integrable?

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The discussion revolves around the integrability of the absolute value of a function, specifically whether the absolute value of an integrable function is also integrable. Participants explore theoretical aspects and provide various approaches to prove the inequality involving integrals of the function and its absolute value.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Steven, seeks guidance on proving that if a function f is integrable on [a,b], then |f| is also integrable and that |\int_{a}^{b}f| \le \int_{a}^{b}|f|.
  • Another participant suggests showing that for a given partition P, the difference S(|f|,P) - s(|f|,P) is less than or equal to S(f,P) - s(f,P), proposing to analyze three cases based on the sign of f(x) over the intervals.
  • Steven reports progress in showing that |f| is integrable and attempts to derive the inequality using the properties of integrals, but expresses confusion regarding the three cases method suggested.
  • A later reply proposes using the characterization of the integral and the triangle inequality as a simpler approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to prove the integrability of |f| or the associated inequality, with multiple approaches being discussed and some confusion expressed about the methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved details regarding the application of the triangle inequality and the characterization of the integral, as well as the implications of the three cases method on the proof.

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hello all

Iv been working on a lot of integrability questions and I am having trouble with this problem
let f be integrable on [a,b] then show that |f| is integrable and that

[tex]|\int_{a}^{b}f|\le \int_{a}^{b}|f|[/tex]

now this is what i know

[tex]\int_{a}^{b^U}f =\int_{a_{L}}^{b}f= \int_{a}^{b}f[/tex]

[tex]U(f,P)-L(f,P)<\epsilon[/tex]

and

[tex]|f(x)|\le M \forall x\epsilon [a,b][/tex] is there anything else i can gain from a function being integrable on a closed interval?

muchly appreciated if someone could tell me where to start and some directions? I realize that it is only through practice that i will be able to know where to start and where to go from there, please help

thank you

steven
 
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Hi,

You need to show that for a given partition P, S(|f|,P) - s(|f|,P) [itex]\leq[/itex] S(f,P) - s(f,P).

It is easy: use the definition of s(,) and S(,) and work the three different cases for a given interval in the partition: 1) f(x) is stricly < 0 for all x in that interval. 2) f(x) is stricly > 0 for all x in that interval. 3) f(x) is < 0 for some x and > 0 for some other x in that interval.
 
hello all

this is what i have done so far, i hope it is correct, i have shown that
[tex]U(|f|,P)-L(|f|,P)<\epsilon[/tex]
and so |f| is integrable that wasnt a problem
then since -|f(x)|<=f(x)<=|f(x)| for all x an element of [a,b]
then we integrate the whole inequality to get
[tex]-\int_{a}^{b}|f(x)| \le\int_{a}^{b}f(x)\le\int_{a}^{b}|f(x)|[/tex]
and hence
[tex]|\int_{a}^{b}f|\le \int_{a}^{b}|f|[/tex]

In terms of the above method about proving the 3 different cases i got pretty confused going down that path, some further details would be helpful

steven
 
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How about simply invoquing the caracterisation of the integral

[tex]\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx = \lim_{|p|\rightarrow 0}\sum_{i=1}^{n}f(t_i)(x_i-x_{i-1})[/tex]

and the triangle inequality:

[tex]\forall x,y \in \mathbb{R}, \ |x+y| \leq |x|+|y|[/tex]

?
 

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