Solving Real Vector Space R>3 Bases Problems

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The discussion revolves around problems related to the real vector space R>3, specifically focusing on the concept of bases. The original poster is attempting to show that a given set of vectors forms a basis and to express standard basis vectors in terms of this new basis.

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  • Participants discuss methods to demonstrate linear independence of the new basis vectors and explore the calculation of determinants and inverses of matrices formed by these vectors. There are questions about the correctness of hints provided and the calculations performed by the original poster.

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Some participants have offered guidance on checking linear independence through determinants and constructing inverse matrices. There is acknowledgment of errors in calculations, and the discussion is ongoing with participants clarifying misunderstandings and correcting mistakes.

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I have two homework problems that I am at a loss on where to start. I am going to see the TA tomorrow, but I would like to start on the problems tonight.


The question is (the row vectors I show are actually written as column vectors on the homework):

Consider the real vector space R>3. One basis we can use is called the Standard Basis. This is the basis
B={|e1>=(1 0 0), |e2>=(0 1 0), |e3>=(0 0 1)}
Show that the set of vectors
B'={|a1>=(1 0 -1), |a2>=(1 2 1), |a3>=(0 -3 2)}
is also a basis for R>3. Express each of the vectors of the standard basis in terms of these new basis vectors. (Hint: To check if you are on the right track, you should get that
|e1>=-7/10|a1> + 3/10|a2> + 2/5|a3> = (-7/10 3/10 2/5)
but you need to show this and find the other two.

I need a little help getting started. I tried: B = {i+j,i-j,k} where i+j=|v> and i-j=|w> and i=1/2(v+w) and j=1/2(v-w). I have also tried combing a1, a2 & a3 to be a 3x3 matrix and multiply by each e, but that didn't work either.

Thanks!
 
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In this case it suffices to show that vectors from B' are linearly independent. So, you can construct the determinant which has vector's coordinates as columns (or rows). Which property must have this determinant if a1, a2 and a3 are linearly independent?
Do you know what is matrix for linear transformation? If yes, than the inverse of that will help you to find coordinates of standart basis vectors in new basis.
P.S Hooray! It's my 100th post here! It's great place!
P.P.S. Welcome, Blanik!
 
Thanks! That helped a lot. I am much closer, but I am still not coming up the same numbers for his |e1>.

Here is what I did:
If a1,a2 &a3 = matrix A,
then A = 1 1 0
0 2 -3
-1 1 2

The determinant of A = 10
The inverse of A is:
A-1 = (1/10) 7 -2 -3
3 2 3
2 0 2

So, I get |e1> = 7/10
3/10
1/5
But, the problem says |e1> should be = -7/10
3/10
2/5
So, mine differs with the first value having the opposite sign and I am off by a factor of two for the last value.

Any suggestions?
 
There are 2 points:
1. Your inverse is incorrect. I believe correct is [tex]1/10\[ \left( \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 7 & -2 & -3 \\<br /> 3 & 2 & 3 \\<br /> 2 & -2 & 2 \end{array} \right)\][/tex]

2.
B={|e1>=(1 0 0), |e2>=(0 1 0), |e3>=(0 0 1)}
Show that the set of vectors
B'={|a1>=(1 0 -1), |a2>=(1 2 1), |a3>=(0 -3 2)}
is also a basis for R>3. Express each of the vectors of the standard basis in terms of these new basis vectors. (Hint: To check if you are on the right track, you should get that
|e1>=-7/10|a1> + 3/10|a2> + 2/5|a3> = (-7/10 3/10 2/5)

You shouldn't get it if you're on the right track. In standart basis -7/10|a1> + 3/10|a2> + 2/5|a3> doesn't gives e1. I believe you see it. That hint is incorrect
 
I thought that the hint might be wrong... thanks for clarifying. I caught my math error too for the zero value in the inverse matrix.

Thanks so much for your help!
 

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