Differerntiating Exponential Functions

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function y = (ln x) ^ cos x. Participants are exploring techniques for differentiating this function, particularly focusing on logarithmic differentiation and the application of various differentiation rules.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to differentiate the function and seeks help.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of logarithmic differentiation and provides a general formula for differentiating exponential functions.
  • A participant questions whether the differentiation approach requires multiplying by the derivative of the exponent.
  • There is mention of the Leibniz rule for differentiating products of functions, suggesting that it may be necessary for this problem.
  • Some participants clarify that the original function is different from a related example provided, emphasizing the need to focus on the specific function in question.
  • One participant discusses the general formula for differentiating functions of the form u^v, highlighting its derivation using the chain rule.
  • Another participant shares their own experience with a different bonus question on an exam, indicating a perception of the difficulty level of the original question.
  • There is a mention of limits and the application of L'Hôpital's rule in a related context, raising further questions about the nature of the limit involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to differentiate the function. There are multiple competing views on the application of logarithmic differentiation and the necessary rules to apply, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the differentiation of functions involving exponents can be complex and may require careful application of rules, but specific assumptions or steps remain unresolved.

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I really really need help with this one. This was a bonus question for one of my previous exams. I have no idea how to work through it.

Differentiate the function:

[tex]y= ( \ln x ) ^\cos x[/tex]
 
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Do you know about logarithmic differentiation...?If you don't,are you willing to learn? :smile:

Daniel.
 
Logarithmic differentiation:

[tex]y = a^x[/tex]

[tex]\ln y = \ln (a^x) = x\ln a[/tex]

Then by the chain rule: [tex]\frac{1}{y} \frac{dy}{dx} = \ln a[/tex] (only true if a is a constant. If a = a(x), then you need to apply the chain and product rules to the RHS).

So, [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = y\ln a = a^x \ln a[/tex]
 
Is this even close to the right answer? Or do I need to also multiply by the derivative of the exponent?


[tex]( \ln x )^\cos x[/tex] [tex]( \ln ( \ln x) )[/tex]
 
I misses a few terms.You have to use the Leibniz rule of differetiantion of products of functions.

Daniel.
 
Nylex, question asked is the differential of

[tex]y=(\ln{x})^\cos{x}[/tex]

not

[tex]y=\ln{\left (x^\cos{x} \right )}[/tex]
 
He didn't go for the function in the OP.He exemplified what is meant by logarithmic differentiation.

Daniel.
 
True, but it was implied that you can use the [itex]\ln{\left (x^a\right )}=a\ln{x}[/itex] rule directly for the problem at hand.
 
In all The usual formulas elementary calculus students are expected to learn why is
(u^v)'=v*(u^(v-1))*v'+(u^v)*log(u)*v'
Rarely included. It is quite nice and it is easy to see using the chain rule.
Or Individual function differential operators.
D(u^v)=(Du+Dv)(u^v)=(Du)(u^v)+(Dv)(u^v)
where (Du)f(u,v)=Dx f(u(x),v(y))|y=x
(Dv)f(u,v)=Dx f(u(y),v(x))|y=x
Dx y=0
 
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evan4888 said:
I really really need help with this one. This was a bonus question for one of my previous exams. I have no idea how to work through it.

Differentiate the function:

[tex]y= ( \ln x ) ^\cos x[/tex]

If this is the bonus on the exams... your teacher is really nice..

my bonus question on the test was
Limit(x^x, x, 0)...
 
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leon1127 said:
If this is the bonus on the exams... your teacher is really nice..

my bonus question on the test was
Limit(x^x, x, 0)...
These should not be bonus questions.
x^x:=exp(x log(x))
x^x~1+x log(x)~1+|x|
Also le Hopitals rule works nicely.
What I want to know is did you mean the directed limit? You need complex numbers to consider x^x for x<0.
 

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