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marshall4
Oct30-03, 07:27 PM
Car "1" is pushed at a velocity of 5m/s toward Car "2" (car 2 is not moving).
When they hit, Cart 1 bounces back a .5m/s and car 2 moves at 5.5m/s.
Is that possible?

Why or why not?

I think that it's not possible, but i'm not sure why. Maybe b/c energy was gained somehow for car 2 to bounce back faster, which is not possible.

How do i prove that?

chroot
Oct30-03, 07:28 PM
Conservation of linear momentum.

m1v1 + m2v2 = constant

- Warren

marshall4
Oct30-03, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by chroot
Conservation of linear momentum.

m1v1 + m2v2 = constant

- Warren

What is the constant?

Ambitwistor
Oct30-03, 07:36 PM
The constant is total momentum. In other words, although v1 and v2 change after the collision, the above formula is equal to what it equalled using the velocities before the collision: total momentum is conserved.

marshall4
Oct30-03, 07:40 PM
so would it be (5*5)+(5*-0.5)=5*5.5+0, 22.5=27.5 ???
Is that the proof that it is not possible?

chroot
Oct30-03, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by marshall4
What is the constant?
Whatever it was at the start of the problem is what it will always be. That's what 'constant' means.

- Warren

chroot
Oct30-03, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by marshall4
so would it be (5*5)+(5*-0.5)=5*5.5+0, 22.5=27.5 ???
Is that the proof?
Not quite. Try this:

Initially, total momentum is (assuming the cars have the same mass):

m1v1 + m2v2 = m * 5 + m * 0 = 5m

In the end, if the cars did what the problem said, the total momentum would be

m1v1 + m2v2 = m * -0.5 + m * 5.5 = 5m

which is the same answer. The total momentum is the same before and after, so the result is plausible. The actual velocities that would result in an experiment of this sort would depend upon the "elasticity" of the collision, which is something you'll probably learn about later.

- Warren

russ_watters
Oct31-03, 02:44 PM
That is possible if car 1 is heavier than car 2.

chroot
Oct31-03, 03:30 PM
Actually, lol, you're right russ. Sure, this proposed collision conserves momentum, but it does not conserve energy (assuming the cars have the same mass).

*slaps forehead*

- Warren

nautica
Oct31-03, 04:41 PM
Momentum before must equal moment after

5. m/s equals 5.5 m/s + - 0.5 m/s

Nautica