How is the dx quantity derived in using differentials to approximate values?

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The discussion centers around the derivation and understanding of the quantity "dx" in the context of using differentials to approximate values, specifically in relation to the expression \(\sqrt{99.4}\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding differentials and their application in calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of "dx" in the approximation of \(\sqrt{99.4}\) and notes the textbook's use of \(f(x)=\sqrt{x}\), \(x=100\), and \(dx=-0.6\).
  • Another participant explains that \(df = f'(x)dx\) allows for the approximation \(f(x+dx) \approx f(x) + df\), suggesting that \(dx\) represents the difference between \(x\) and \(x + dx\).
  • A participant expresses understanding that \(dx\) is \(-0.6\) and connects this to the concept of differentials, while also inquiring about the relationship between differentials and differential equations.
  • Another participant clarifies that while \(df = f'(x)dx\) is valid, the choice of \(dx = -0.6\) is an approximation, and differentials in differential equations represent infinitesimal changes.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that "dx" should be viewed as an infinitesimal, and that using \(\Delta x\) as a small change is a way to approximate \(dx\), with the accuracy improving as \(\Delta x\) decreases.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the nature of "dx" and its application. There is no consensus on the precise interpretation of "dx" as either an approximation or an infinitesimal, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between approximations and the theoretical underpinnings of differentials, with some participants noting that the use of \(dx = -0.6\) is a simplification rather than a strict definition.

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This is a problem from a Calc 1 textbook, I just can't figure out where they get dx from. The question is:
Use differentials to approximate the value of the expresesion.
[tex]\sqrt{99.4}[/tex]

the answer in the solution manual says:
Let [tex]f(x)=\sqrt{x}, x=100, dx=-.6[/tex]

then it solves the problem. But what I don't understand is where the heck is this dx quantity derived from?
 
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[tex]f(x)=\sqrt{x}, x=100, dx=-.6[/tex]

Your textbook is using the fact that df= f'(x)dx so that f(x+dx) is approximately
f(x)+ df= f'(x)dx.
Here, you want to evaluate f(99.4) and it easy to see that f(100)= 10 so take x= 100 and x+ dx= 99.4. What is dx?
 
Wow, I get it. It's so simple. Dx is -0.6. This also makes it more clear why it is called a differential. Thanks Ivy! Hey Ivy, are these differentials the same thing that differential equations are based on?
 
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Wow, I get it. It's so simple. Dx is -0.6. This also makes it more clear why it is called a differential. Thanks Ivy! Hey Ivy, are these differentials the same thing that differential equations are based on?

Though similar, they are not exactly the same thing.

In terms of differentials df=f'(x)dx is true but taking dx= -0.6 is only an approximation. In the true sense a differential can be considered as an infinitesimally small change in the variable.

You might be knowing the Taylor's series expansion of f(x+h)

f(x+h) = f(x) + hf'(x) + (h^2)/2! f"(x) + (h^3)/3! f"'(x) + ...

If h is very small relative to x, the first order approximation can be obtained as f(x+h) = f(x) + hf'(x), which is the same as the equation with differentials
f(x+dx) = f(x) + f'(x)dx

What I want to imply is that the dx in your question is an approximation but differentials in a differential equation do not signify any approximations.
 
Strictly speaking, differentials, like "dx", are "infinitesmals". When you write something like "dx= -0.6", it really is [tex]\Delta x[/tex], meaning a small change in x. One way of defining the derivative is [tex]lim_{\Delta x->0} \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}[/tex]. You can then use [tex]\Delta x[/tex] to approximate dx:
[tex]\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}[/tex] is approximately [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] so [tex]\Delta y[/tex] is approximately [tex]\(\frac{dy}{dx}\)\Delta x[/tex]. The smaller [tex]\Delta x[/tex] is, the better the approximation.
 

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