Triangle Inequality: Proving and Understanding

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The discussion revolves around proving the triangle inequality in the context of vector spaces, specifically addressing conditions under which the inequality becomes an equality. Participants are exploring the implications of the inequality and its relationship with the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss starting points for proving the triangle inequality and its equality condition. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of the notation |a>=alpha|b> and how to approach the proof in both directions. Questions arise about substituting values and manipulating inequalities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and suggestions on how to approach the proof. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the triangle inequality and the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality, as well as the conditions under which these inequalities hold as equalities.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem that requires a proof in both directions, and there is some confusion regarding the notation used in the problem statement.

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I have proven the triangle inequality starting with ||a+b||^2 and using the Schwartz Inequality. However, the next part of the problem says:

"Show that the Triangle Inequality is an equality if and only if |a>=alpha|b> where alpha is a real positive scalar." It must be proved in both directions.

Any help on where to begin would be greatly appreciated.
 
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blanik said:
I have proven the triangle inequality starting with ||a+b||^2 and using the Schwartz Inequality. However, the next part of the problem says:

"Show that the Triangle Inequality is an equality if and only if |a>=alpha|b> where alpha is a real positive scalar." It must be proved in both directions.

Any help on where to begin would be greatly appreciated.

begin by proving one direction. complete the proof by proving the other direction. I'm not sure what |a>=alpha|b> means, is there another way to explain what that says?
 
|a>=alpha|b> means the vector A equals alpha times the vector B where alpha is a real positive scalar. Does that help?

I understand that I am "supposed" to start with one way and go the other, but what does that mean? Do I substitute a=alpha b for a and solve for ||alpha b + b|| = ||alpha b|| + ||b||? I have been playing around with the definition of ||a|| = SQRT (a a*), etc...
 
in your proof of the triangle inequality make all your inequalities equalities & see what you get. at the step where you use the cauchy-schwartz inequality you see that (a,b) = |a||b|. if one vector is a multiple of the other then figure out that (a,b) = |a||b| is true. for the other way suppose that's true. then by the cauchy-schwartz inequality one vector is a multiple of the other. ( ( , ) means inner product & | | means length)
 
The triangle inequality becomes an equality when the Schawrtz inequality becomes an equality. Read through the proof of the Schwartz inequality to see when this happens.
 
Start by explicitly writing out what [tex]||~ |a \rangle + |b \rangle ~ ||^2[/tex] is. You might start seeing where the Scwartz inequality comes into play.
 

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