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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and technical aspects of creating a laser listening device, exploring its principles, components, and potential challenges. Participants share insights on the underlying physics, engineering requirements, and personal experiences related to such devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express fascination with the concept of laser listening devices and seek guidance on how to start building one.
  • One participant suggests that laser listening devices work by detecting vibrations in window panes using the Doppler Effect, although they caution that this may be beyond amateur capabilities.
  • A participant mentions a university project that uses lasers to detect sound based on changes in the refractive index of air caused by sound waves.
  • Another participant shares a personal experience of witnessing a demonstration of a laser listening device that amplified sounds from a clock mechanism.
  • Some participants discuss the technical challenges of reconstructing acoustic signals from optical signals, noting the complexity involved.
  • There are inquiries about the specific components needed, such as the type of laser and detector, and whether common devices like CD players could be repurposed for this project.
  • One participant recalls a magazine project from years ago that detailed building a laser eavesdropping device, expressing skepticism about its educational intent.
  • Another participant raises questions about the availability of the magazine and its components, noting that it is out of print.
  • There is a mention of the difficulty in sourcing sensitive optical components for the project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility and specifics of building a laser listening device. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the technical aspects and practical challenges remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the availability of specific components and the practicality of constructing the device based on older project guidelines. There are also unresolved questions about the optimal wavelengths for lasers used in listening devices.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to hobbyists, students in physics or engineering, and individuals curious about the technical aspects of sound detection and laser technology.

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I wonder if it's possible to create the laser listening device as a project .
i 've been fascinated by the idea ever since i saw it on SPIES
It'd be a great help if anyone could could tell me how to get started first ,like
how does the thing actually work n how to create a laser n stuff .
 
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This is an educated guess:
I do not believe lasers can listen in on just any old sounds. Laser listening devices are used to extract sounds from within enclosed rooms. They do so by treating the window panes as eardrums. Sounds within the room are transmitted as vibrations through the window panes themselves. Lasers pick up this extremely tiny vibration via Doppler Effect and turn it back into sound.

I would think that this is precision engineering, way beyond amateur level, but that is a guess.
 
Ha ha. One of the final year projects for the Physics Degree at Bristol Uni is to create a device that detects sounds using a laser, based on the principle that a laser is a pressure wave, therefore the refractive index of the air will change when the sound wave passes through, deflecting the laser. A friend of mine's doing this - should be interesting.
 
A friend of mine told me they're used in the millitary right now. Then again, this friend also plays a lot of Splinter Cell.

Here's a site I found by googling "Laser Mic": http://www.williamson-labs.com/laser-mic.htm
 
Pressure changes are easily detected by a laser (especially in a gas) since a change in pressure corresponds directly to a change in density and hence the optical path length of any laser beam that happens to be traveling through such a region (which is the basis of any interferometric device).

The difficult part would be reconstructing the original acoustic signal, using the optical signal, which is just a set of (moving) fringes. Difficult, but far from impossible.

Claude.
 
I saw a demo lecture where the professor was showing us a laser listening device he'd built - he shone the laser at the clock at the back of the lecture hall and you could hear the mechanism ticking amplified through the device.

I'm pretty sure he built it himself
 
Jelfish said:
A friend of mine told me they're used in the millitary right now. Then again, this friend also plays a lot of Splinter Cell.

Here's a site I found by googling "Laser Mic": http://www.williamson-labs.com/laser-mic.htm

When i saw this threads title, "Splinter cell!" immediately came to mind haha. But yah, as some people have stated, they are real devices.
 
Claude - the supervisor for the project is the head of the nanostructures group, so I believe they're looking at using techniques from the AFM (atomic force microscopy) work, where the minute deflections of a cantalever are read off with a laser.
 
Sounds interesting. What is the motivation? Are they trying to build a minaturised device?

Claude.
 
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Several years ago, The magazine Radio Electronics had a project where you built such a laser eavesdropping device. You could do it all yourself or you could order some of the specialty items form them (the lasers and the etched pc boards/).
I remember that they included the disclaimer to the effect the the device was for educational purposes only and was not meant for actual eavesdropping. They also used to include like disclaimers for their cable de-scrambler. Yeah, right. Like some guy was going to spend all that time and money to make the cable de-scrambler and then say, " Well, that was educational", put it away on the shelf and never use it.
 
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hey thanks jelfish for the link ,well it did provide basic structures of the device but the biggest problem is the detector ,notin about that ,how do you convert the laser signals after they bounce back from the window pane into sound ?i guess you'd have to build some kinda MODEM for that

saw the circuit diagram but c'mon not good enough for practical construction!

i wonder if a standard cd plyayer could be used as a source for the laser ,
can some one give me the wavelenghts of the laser used in diskmans and cd players and the optimal wavelength for building a listening device and what is the wavelength of the visible red laser and which appliance is most likely to use a visible red laser ?


JANUS ABOUT THE MAGAZINE RADIO ELECTRONICS , CAN U TELL ME HOW TO GET HOLD OF ONE[the one wid the project ] , LIKE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ONLINE ?


HEY THANKS PEOPLE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP
 
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extreme_machinations said:
JANUS ABOUT THE MAGAZINE RADIO ELECTRONICS , CAN U TELL ME HOW TO GET HOLD OF ONE[the one wid the project ] , LIKE ARE THEY AVAILABLE ONLINE ?

This was several years ago, late 80's or early 90's. The mag is out of print and the publisher went out of business in 2002. It probably wouldn't do you much good either as you would most likely not be able to get some the components anymore.
 
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So The World's Not A Freindly Place For A Geek After All .
Thanks Nyway
 
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Diode

One of the hard parts to find is a fast sensitive optical pin diode for under a dollar. I need a response time of 10 nanoseconds.
 

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