Why Do Photons Travel at the Speed of Light?

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The discussion centers on the nature of light and photons, specifically addressing why photons travel at the speed of light (c) and the implications of mass and energy in this context. The scope includes theoretical considerations from special relativity and the properties of massless particles.

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  • One participant questions how light travels and what energy allows photons to move at c, suggesting a potential paradox regarding the need for infinite energy for massed objects to reach light speed.
  • Another participant asserts that photons are massless and references the equation E=hf to support their point.
  • A participant elaborates that infinite energy is required for objects with rest mass to reach light speed, while massless particles like photons must travel at c to exist, indicating a reliance on relativistic principles.
  • Further clarification is provided that modern interpretations suggest mass remains invariant across inertial frames, while energy varies, referencing the equation E = mc²/√(1-(v/c)²).

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass, energy, and the speed of light, with some agreeing on the massless nature of photons while others explore the implications of rest mass and energy requirements. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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Some statements depend on interpretations of relativistic mass and energy, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of mass and energy in different frames of reference.

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How does light travel? What gives the energy to the photons to travel at c? And if in order for something to travel at c you need an infintie amount of energy, how come photon travels at c?
 
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no, you don't. photons are massless. [tex]E=hf[/tex]
 
To elaborate, it only takes an infinite amount of energy for something to travel the speed of light if it has a rest mass (a mass in its own frame of reference) because relativistic mass increases as speed increases. But for something that doesn't have a rest mass (such as a photon), it has to move at the speed of light in order to even exist at all. (Or atleast, that's what the equations seem to suggest to me. I posted my reasoning behind this here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=79637 and nobody told me I was wrong so I assume it was correct.)
 
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ludi_srbin said:
How does light travel? What gives the energy to the photons to travel at c? And if in order for something to travel at c you need an infintie amount of energy, how come photon travels at c?
Here is a link to get you started:

Special Relativity as a Physical Theory
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0410124

And here:
http://physics.nyu.edu/hogg/sr/
 
εllipse said:
To elaborate, it only takes an infinite amount of energy for something to travel the speed of light if it has a rest mass (a mass in its own frame of reference) because relativistic mass increases as speed increases. But for something that doesn't have a rest mass (such as a photon), it has to move at the speed of light in order to even exist at all. (Or atleast, that's what the equations seem to suggest to me. I posted my reasoning behind this here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=79637 and nobody told me I was wrong so I assume it was correct.)

I think modern interpretation is that mass doesn't change (it's the same in all inertial systems), but energy does according to formula:

[tex]E = \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}}[/tex].

So mass is the same in the eyes of every intertial observer (the term "invariant" is commonly used).
 

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