How do you find the equation of a plane given three points?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane given three points in three-dimensional space. Participants explore various methods, including vector geometry and linear systems, to derive the equation of the plane.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using two vectors formed from the three points and finding the normal vector through the cross product, while questioning how to approach the problem without prior knowledge of vector geometry.
  • Another participant notes that an additional point is needed to construct a linear system with zero degrees of freedom, providing a set of equations based on the general plane equation.
  • A different participant outlines that the three points can be used to set up a system of equations and mentions the possibility of solving for the coefficients in terms of a parameter, indicating that the solution will not be unique.
  • One participant claims to have found the equation of the plane as 3x + 2y - 2z = 1 using vector geometry, but expresses confusion about how to derive the value of d from their linear system solution.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation of the plane is not unique and explains how to manipulate the equation to express it in a different form, emphasizing the flexibility in choosing d.

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Participants express differing views on the uniqueness of the equation of the plane and the methods to derive it. There is no consensus on the best approach, and some participants challenge each other's reasoning.

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Participants highlight limitations in their approaches, such as the dependence on the choice of d and the assumptions made when setting up the equations. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the problem and the mathematical principles involved.

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The question asks: Find the equation of the plane that passes throug the points (1,2,3), (3,-1,3), and (5,0,7). (Hint: Recall that the general equation of a plane is ax + by +cz =d.)

You could make 2 vectors with those three points then find the normal by taking the cross product of those two vectors then plug them into the general equation with xo being the ___ (one point that makes them both vectors - what's the word?)

But say you had no previous knowledge of vector geometry, how would one going about doing this problem?
 
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Well I suppose you'd need one more point to construct the 0 degrees of freedom linear system..
so far you got
a + 2b + 3c = d
3a -b + 3c = d
5a +0b + 7c = d
 
If ax + by + cz = d is the equation of the plane, then those points are solutions to the equation. You can basically set up 3 equations:

1a + 2b + 3c - 1d = 0
3a - 1b + 3c - 1d = 0
5a + 0b + 7c - 1d = 0

Row reduce the corresponding matrix and you'll solve for a, b, c, and d all in terms of d (or one of the parameters). And of course, there won't be a unique solution, the solution will indeed be in terms of d since

x + y + z = 1

and

2x + 2y + 2z = 2

describe the same plane.
 
Well the answer is 3x + 2y - 2z = 1, which I obtained using methods of vector geometry but when I solve the linear system I'm left with
[tex]\mbox {~}\left[\begin{array}{ccc|r}1&0&0&3\\0&1&0&2\\0&0&1&-2\end{array}\right][/tex]

How do you get d?
 
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You should have a (3 x 4)-matrix with a (3 x 1)-matrix of zeroes augmented on the end. Note that you have 3 equations and 4 unknowns.
 
Nusc said:
Well the answer is 3x + 2y - 2z = 1, which I obtained using methods of vector geometry but when I solve the linear system I'm left with
[tex]\mbox {~}\left[\begin{array}{ccc|r}1&0&0&3\\0&1&0&2\\0&0&1&-2\end{array}\right][/tex]

How do you get d?

You don't get d! As you were told before, the form ax+by+cz= d is not unique. You can divide or multiply the entire equation by any number (other than 0) to get a different equation for the same plane. In particular, as long as d is not 0 you can divide through by it to get an equation of the form Ax+ By+ Cz= 1 (A= a/d, B= b/d, C= c/d). If start by assuming that form, you get your answer.
 

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