Integrating Over Real Numbers: Understanding the Notation and Limitations

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The discussion revolves around the integration of functions over real numbers and the implications of changing variables, particularly in the context of complex analysis. Participants explore the validity of certain substitutions and the resulting limits of integration, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a substitution for the integral \(\int_0^{\infty} F(x) dx\) using \(x = -e^t\) and questions whether the integral from \((\infty, \infty + i\pi)\) can be ignored due to \(F(x)\) approaching 0 as \(x\) approaches infinity.
  • Another participant challenges the substitution, arguing that \(x > 0\) cannot equal a negative quantity like \(-e^t\), which is always positive.
  • A different participant suggests that a negative sign may have been lost in the substitution process and emphasizes the need to consider the bounds of the integral carefully.
  • One participant raises a new question regarding the limits of integration when substituting \(x = t + ai\) in the integral \(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} F(x) dx\), seeking clarification on the new limits.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the notation and the region of integration, noting that equating \(x\) with \(t + ai\) could lead to inconsistencies unless specific conditions are met.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed substitutions and the implications for the limits of integration. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the correctness of the substitutions or the treatment of the integrals.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding formal limits and the complexities involved in integrating over the complex plane, indicating that further study in complex analysis may be necessary to clarify these issues.

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let be the integral:

[tex]\int_0^{\infty}F(x)dx[/tex] with [tex]x\rightarrow\infty F(x)\rightarrow0[/tex] then we make the change of variable x=-e^{t} then the new integral would become [tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty+i\pi}F(-e^t)e^{t}dt[/tex] my question is if we can ignore the integral from [tex](\infty,\infty+i\pi)[/tex] so we have only the integral [tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}F(-e^t)e^{t}dt[/tex] as for big value the F(x) tends to 0
 
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You cannot make this substitution. Note that x > 0, and et is also always greater than 0, so how could x = -et ever be true?
 
why not? the same would happen with x=-1/(t+1) x>0 but t<0
 
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How can a negative quantity equal a positive quantity?
 
i think that you lost a negative sign when making your substitution.

the example you give in post #3 is correct for x>0 t<-1

so it sounds like the unresolved question is your bounds on the integral. I'm not sure how to handle this, but keep two things in mind:

1) remember that you are dealing with a formal limit

[tex]\lim_{a \rightarrow -\infty} \int_{a}^{i\pi} f(x) dx + \lim_{b \rightarrow \infty} \int_{i\pi}^{b} f(x) dx[/tex]

2) you are integrating over [tex]\mathbb{C}[/tex] so you need to get a book on complex integration and see what to do. i suspect that solving the above and integrating as usual will suffice.
 
Another question let,s suppose we have the integral:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}F(x)dx[/tex] and make the change of variable x=t+ai with i
=sqrt(-1) then what would be the new limits?..thanks...
 
I haven't taken any courses on complex analysis, so maybe I'm unfamiliar with the notation. Over what region are you integrating when you take:

[tex]\int _{-\infty} ^{\infty} F(x)dx[/tex]

To me, that suggests that you're integrating over all the real numbers, i.e. x ranges over the reals. If this is the case, then you again run into the problem of equating x with t + ai because unless t = b - ai for some real b, then x will be never have a real part, and t+ai sometimes will, so the two cannot be equated.
 

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