Differentiating [ sin(1/ln(x)) / x ] solution?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function sin(1/ln(x)) / x, focusing on both the first and second derivatives. Participants share their approaches and results, seeking validation and comparison of their solutions.

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  • Post 1 presents an initial differentiation attempt and a second derivative, inviting others to compare their results.
  • Post 2 provides a detailed step-by-step differentiation process, using the quotient rule and expressing the derivative in a different form, while also suggesting a correction regarding the thread's category.
  • Post 4 emphasizes the need to specify the domain of x for the derivative to be defined properly.
  • Post 5 presents a boxed expression for the first derivative, which differs from the initial claim in Post 1.
  • Post 6 challenges the correctness of the second derivative provided in Post 1, offering an alternative expression and mentioning that Mathematica confirms their result.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the second derivative, with some agreeing on the first derivative while others present alternative forms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the second derivative, with multiple competing expressions offered.

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Participants note the importance of defining the interval for x, particularly that x must be greater than 0 and not equal to 1, to ensure the derivative is valid.

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[SOLVED] differentiating [ sin(1/ln(x)) / x ].. solution?

hello all. I do not have the solution to this question that I am about to ask. But if you find the time, try this solving this problem and feel free to type your answer and compare with mine.
differentiate :: sin(1/ln(x)) / x

my answer: -[ ( (sin(1/lnx)*(ln(x)^2) + cos(1/ln(x)) ) / ( (x^2)*(ln(x)^2) ) ]

i am extremely curious about what you all got. I want to see if i did it correctly. Thanks in advance.

I found some time to find the d^2y/dx^2 of this f().

answer #2 for d^2y/dx^2 : { [ (cos(1/lnx))(2+4lnx+2(lnx)^2+(x^2)(lnx)^3) ]+[ (sin(1/lnx))* (lnx) * (4(lnx)^2 - x^2+2(lnx)^3) ] } / { [(lnx)*x]^3 }

woah, i spent so much time doing it.. if you guys have a time to do it, post your answer pls! thanks again.
 
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Pretty straight forward, just a little tedius. (ln x)'= 1/x so (1/ln x)'= ((ln x)-1)'= -(ln x)-2(1/x)= -1/(x(ln x)2).

(sin(1/ln x))'= cos(1/ln x)(1/ln x)'= -cos(1/ln x)/(x(ln x)2).


By the quotient rule, (sin(1/ln x)/x)'= ((sin(1/ln x))'x- sin(1/ln x))/x2=
-cos(1/ln x)/(x3(ln x)2)- sin(1/ln x)/x2.
I think, except for the fact that I separted the two fractions, that's the same thing you have.

By the way, this belongs in the "Calculus" section, not the "Differential Equations" section. The fact that the problem involves a derivative does not mean it is a differential equation!
 
sorry about that, if you don't mind, could you move this thread to the "Calculus" section? Thanks.
 
Besides your expression for the derivative don't forget to state [tex]x > 0 , x \neq 1[/tex] as a derivative at [tex]x_{1}[/tex] needs to be defined over some interval [tex]x_{1}-R<x<x_{1}+R[/tex]
 
[tex]\boxed{\frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{ \sin \left[ \frac{1}{\ln x} \right]}{x} \right) = - \frac{1}{x^2} \left( \frac{ \cos \left[ \frac{1}{\ln x} \right]}{(\ln x)^2} + \sin \left[ \frac{1}{\ln x} \right] \right)}[/tex]
 
First derivative is OK.
But the second isn't.
I got
[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2} \left( \frac{ \sin \left[ \frac{1}{\ln x} \right]}{x} \right) = \frac{ 2\cos( \frac{1}{\ln x}) - \frac{\sin( \frac{1}{\ln x})}{\ln x}+ 2(\ln x)^3 \sin ( \frac{1}{\ln x}) +3 \ln x\cos \left[ \frac{1}{\ln x} \right]) }{x^3 (\ln x)^3}[/tex]
mathematica gives the same
 

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