Imaginary Vectors: Find Resultant & Solution Explained

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two vectors acting in the same and perpendicular directions, with a focus on finding their resultant values and exploring the concept of imaginary solutions in vector mathematics. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the nature of solutions in complex vector spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving two vectors with given resultant magnitudes and seeks an explanation for the imaginary solution.
  • Another participant sets up a system of equations based on the problem, involving unit vectors and an angle between them.
  • Some participants note that the equations lead to a quadratic equation with no real solution, suggesting an impossible situation.
  • Others argue that the situation is not impossible but rather involves imaginary solutions, indicating a connection to complex numbers and complex vectors.
  • A participant draws an analogy to constructing a right triangle, suggesting that the conditions lead to a violation of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality, implying no solution exists under real conditions.
  • One participant provides specific vector representations involving imaginary components, indicating that the solution is not unique and offering a particular example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the solution, with some asserting that the situation is impossible while others maintain that it can be resolved using imaginary numbers. No consensus is reached regarding the validity of the proposed solutions or the interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions made about the vectors and the conditions under which real versus imaginary solutions are considered. The implications of using complex numbers in this context remain unresolved.

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hi
here's a questn:
"2 vectors acting in same direction have resultant 20 whereas in perpendicular direction resultant is 10. find the vectors."

pls. explain the imaginary solution.
 
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Set up your system of equations.

[tex]|\vec{a}| \hat{u_{1}} + |\vec{b}| \hat{u_{1}} = 20\hat{u_{1}}[/tex]

[tex]|\vec{a}| \hat{u_{1}} + |\vec{b}| \hat{u_{2}} = 10 \hat{u_{3}}[/tex]

also

[tex]\hat{u_{3}} = \cos \theta \hat{u_{1}} + \sin \theta \hat{u_{2}}[/tex]

where [itex]\hat{u_{1}}[/itex], [itex]\hat{u_{2}}[/itex], [itex]\hat{u_{3}}[/itex] are unit vectors, and [itex]\theta[/itex] is the angle between [itex]\hat{u_{1}}[/itex] and [itex]\hat{u_{3}}[/itex].
 
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In your case, the two equations are
a+b=20
a^2+b^2=100.
This leads to a quadratic equation with (as you say) no real solution.
This means that you have described an impossible situation.
 
Meir Achuz said:
In your case, the two equations are
a+b=20
a^2+b^2=100.
This leads to a quadratic equation with (as you say) no real solution.
This means that you have described an impossible situation.


Not impossible, just imaginary. The solution lies in the field
of complex numbers i.e. complex vectors.
 
This equivalent to "construct a right triangle so that the sum of legs is twice that of the hypotenuse". This is equivalent to the equation a + b = 2c which would suggest that a^2 + b^2 =4c^2-2ab. The only way this can be consistent (given the pythagorean relation is if) c^2=4c^2 - 2ab or ab =3/2 c^2 which is a violation of the CS inequality, so there is no solution.
 
I didn't want to solve this kid's problem, Crosson but you forced me to.

[tex]\vec{v1} = \hat{x} [ \sqrt{50} (\sqrt{2} + i) ][/tex]
[tex]\vec{v2} = \hat{a} [ \sqrt{50} (\sqrt{2} - i) ][/tex]

[tex]\hat{a} = \hat{x}[/tex] in the parallel case and
[tex]\hat{a} = \hat{y}[/tex] in the perpendicular case.

Edit: The solution is not unique, I just picked one.
 
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