How to Find the Numbers M and N in This AS Math Example?

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The discussion revolves around finding the numbers M and N in the equation 5 + 4x - x² = m - (x - n)² for all real values of x. The focus is on the algebraic manipulation and completion of the square to derive the values of M and N.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help in finding M and N, indicating a focus on the arrangement of N² after expanding brackets.
  • Another participant provides a method for completing the square, outlining the steps to transform the quadratic expression into a suitable form to identify M and N.
  • A different participant suggests completing the square and proposes that after manipulation, n=2 and m=-9 can be derived.
  • A subsequent reply challenges the earlier conclusion, pointing out a misunderstanding in the equation's form, suggesting that the values need to be re-evaluated.
  • Finally, a participant acknowledges the mistake and corrects m to 9, indicating a change in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct values of M and N, with some proposing n=2 and m=-9, while others suggest m=9 after a correction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final values.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes potential misunderstandings about the equation's structure, which may affect the derived values of M and N. The steps for completing the square are not fully resolved, and there are dependencies on the interpretation of the equation.

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Find the numbers M and N such that:

5+4x -x^2 = m - (x - n)^2
for all real values of x.

If someone could work this out, Then ill show my workings and ask questions (its to do with the arrangements of N^2 after expanding brackets mainly.

Thanks in advanced,
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Do you know how to complete the square?

ax² + bx + c
= a[x² + (b/a)x] + c
= a[x² + (b/a)x + (b/2a)² - (b/2a)²] + c
= a[x² + (b/a)x + (b/2a)²] - a(b/2a)² + c
= a[x + (b/2a)]² + (c - b²/4a)

Complete the square for the left side of your equation, and it will look like the right side, but instead of m and n, you'll have numbers, and those are obviously the numbers you're trying to find.
 
Complete the square, to put the equation in the form, (x - n)^2 + m , and then you have your values for n and m.

multiply both sides by -1 , to get, x^2-4x-5 which can be written as (x-2)^2-9 , which is in the form (x - n)^2 + m

so n=2, m=-9
 
roger said:
so n=2, m=-9
Recheck that, roger. The problem states: 5+4x -x^2 = m - (x - n)^2, not 5+4x -x^2 = m + (x - n)^2
Viet Dao,
 
whoops,

m=9
 

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