Are You Trapped in Someone Else's Dream?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical implications of self-awareness, control, and the nature of reality, questioning whether individuals are merely constructs within a larger dream or system. It explores concepts such as solipsism, non-duality, and the relationship between thought and existence, with references to both ancient and modern perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that one cannot achieve absolute certainty about self-control and must operate under the assumption that they do.
  • One participant suggests that the questions posed about self-awareness and control cannot be answered through reasoning, highlighting the unfalsifiable nature of solipsism.
  • Another viewpoint connects ancient concepts of non-duality with modern physics, suggesting that both imply a unified reality where individual existence is an illusion.
  • There is a claim that knowing and thinking are merely thoughts produced by the mind, which complicates the understanding of knowledge itself.
  • One participant asserts that in the context of the Unified Field, concepts of "you" and "control" are illusory, framing reality as silence and the universe as noise.
  • A later reply challenges the coherence of the philosophical arguments presented, labeling them as incoherent.

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Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the uncertainty of self-awareness and control, while others contest the coherence and validity of the philosophical claims made. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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The discussion includes complex philosophical ideas that depend on subjective interpretations of reality, self-awareness, and the nature of thought, which are not universally agreed upon.

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How can you figure out that you have not been programmed to be a Manchurian Candidate?
How can you figure out that you have been hypnotized to be what you are?
How can you figure out that you are not just some code in a computer, like in the movie The Matrix?
How can you figure out that you are not programmed to be a Manchurian Candidate inside a computer that is perhaps, in turn, inside another computer./dream?

If you can figure out this riddle you will Realize that you are inside MY dream which makes YOU and ME one and the same Dreamer. And the details of the dream are irrelevant because in a dream the Dreamer is EVERYTHING; and compared to the Dreamer that is EVERYTHING, the dream is nothing, and so the dream’s details also have to be the same nothing.

-- just thoughts
 
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You can never have absolute certainty that you have self control, so you have to assume that you do. It's the only way to live.
 
It is well established that we cannot know the answers to these questions by reasoning. But this is not a riddle if, as you suggest, solipsism is unfalsifiable because it isn't completely false.
 
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5000 years ago the study of thoughts gave us non-duality: I AM and ALL IS the Dreamer and everything else is the nothings called thoughts. The DREAMER is ALL and there is no other.
Physics, 5000 years later, gives us the exact same story: non-duality, the Unified Field.

The study-of-thoughts gives us the obvious: You cannot know anything because "knowing" is a thought, the mind; and you cannot even think because thinking is also just a thought, the mind.

-- just thoughts
 
Stephan hoyer said:
You can never have absolute certainty that you have self control, so you have to assume that you do. It's the only way to live.

The JOKE is that in Reality -- Physics' Unified Field -- there is no "you" and there is no "control" both are just noise, thoughts, the mind.

As so, according to the Silence of this Unified Field: Reality is Silence and the universe is its noise.
-- just thoughts
 
This is not philosophy, this is incoherence.
 

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