Blackhole decay and gravitational wave

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The discussion centers around the concepts of black hole decay and gravitational waves, exploring theoretical aspects without delving into mathematics. Participants seek clarity on how black holes decay, the nature of gravitational waves, and the role of particles with negative energy in these processes.

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  • One participant asks for a logical explanation of black hole decay without mathematics, expressing confusion about the nature of gravitational waves and their relationship to motion.
  • Another participant provides links to external resources discussing black hole decay, suggesting that black holes can evaporate into various matter particles.
  • A participant questions the claim that only negative energy enters a black hole, proposing that this could imply black holes increase in size rather than decay.
  • One participant suggests that antimatter particles would annihilate matter inside a black hole, potentially reducing its size, but acknowledges their lack of expertise.
  • Another participant argues that antimatter would cause a black hole to grow, as it has positive energy.
  • A participant discusses the concept of negative energy particles and their role in black hole mass loss, referencing quantum theory and vacuum fluctuations.
  • One participant clarifies that negative energy and antimatter are distinct, explaining how energy conservation works in their interactions.
  • Another participant mentions Hawking's work, suggesting that quantum tunneling may also explain black hole decay, presenting an alternative view to the negative energy particle theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of black hole decay, particularly regarding the roles of negative energy and antimatter. There is no consensus on these topics, and multiple competing theories are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theories and external sources, indicating a lack of settled definitions and assumptions regarding black hole decay and gravitational waves. The discussion includes speculative elements and unresolved questions about the nature of energy in these contexts.

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hi
i have few unclear things but I'm not sure if this is the correct thread.
1.can anyone explain me how does a black hole deacy. please include no mathematics and only logic.
2.is gravity wave something like electromagnetic wave transmitted by gravitons instead of a photon?but i heard; by some one not related to science; that it{wave of gravitons} comes in existence if only it is in motion relative to something. now doesn't that mean that it can come in existence and fade to black simultaneously[as something can be in motion or rest according to different observers at the same time].
im not sure if it exists only in motion or at all times.
 
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Yahoo search on " "black hole decay" " yields (inter alia):

http://superstringtheory.com/blackh/
see esp. ---> http://superstringtheory.com/blackh/blackh3.html
Link # Three
Link # Four
Link # Five (Look toward the end to see:
This image is a simulation of the production and decay of a black hole in a proposed linear collider detector. The black hole quickly evaporates into every type of matter particle. The "democratic" selection of decay products is a distinct signature of black hole decay.
etc.)
 
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the 3rd link u precribed says that only negative energy or particle or energy enters the black hole but not positive thus making it decay. is this true than black hole fed on other particle increases instead of decaying!
 
AFAIK, antimatter particles would annihilate (cancel out) matter particles inside the BH, thus reducing the size of the BH. But I'm not a physicist so you shouldn't interpret this information as the "last word on BH decay." It's anything but.

{P.S. There are messages posted on this or similar issues under threads in Quantum Physics, see e.g. Hawking's preprint: Information loss in Black holes.}
 
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Anti-matter particles would make a black hole grow - they have positive energies.
 
I hear you pervect. Unless they have negative energy as this link suggests:
According to quantum theory, the vacuum of space isn't empty but seethes with pairs of elementary particles winking in and out of existence. One partner in each pair has negative energy, which keeps that particle gravitationally bound to the black hole, while the other has positive energy, which gives it enough oomph to escape from a black hole. [...] Now, consider the negative-energy particles that the black hole has absorbed. According to general relativity theory, mass and energy are equivalent. Therefore, a black hole that absorbs a negative-energy particle loses mass. If there are no nearby planets or other detritus to nourish it, a black hole absorbing negative-energy particles will eventually vanish.
Or, more likely, I misnamed a "neg. energy" particle as "antimatter." Which would explain why I never thought myself fit for a physics degree -- or vice versa, whichever was first. :smile:

{P.S. Oh, BTW, vice versa means the other way around, too, in Latin. Ahem.}
 
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Particles with negative energy and antimatter are different things. Both matter and antimatter can have positive and negative energy, so when matter and antimatter come into contact, although the particles are destroyed, their energy is still conserved, just released in the form of radiation. However, when negative energy and positive energy come into contact, they cancel each other out, and don't have to emit radiation in order to conserve energy (since one unit of energy plus negative one unit of energy is zero units of energy, so energy is still conserved without radiation being released). Hawking states that the reason the particles from the vacuum fluctuations always have negative energy is because the strong gravitational field gives them negative potential energy as they cross the event horizon:
... a real particle close to a massive body has less energy than if it were far away, because it would take energy to lift it far away against the gravitational attraction of the body. Normally, the energy of the particle is still positive, but the gravitational field inside a black hole is so strong that even a real particle can have negative energy there. It is therefore possible, if a black hole is present, for the virtual particle with negative energy to fall into the black hole and become a real particle or antiparticle. Its forsaken partner may fall into the black hole as well. Or, having positive energy, it might also escape from the vicinity of the black hole.
- Hawking, A Brief History of Time

However, in Hawking's latest article (http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0507171), it almost sounds like he's saying quantum tunnelling is the reason for black hole decay, which is atleast a different picture from the idea of negative energy particles falling in, although I don't know enough about it to know if it gives different predictions:
My work with Hartle showed the radiation could be thought of as tunnelling out from inside the black hole.
 
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I hear you pervect. Unless they have negative energy as this link suggests:Or, more likely, I misnamed a "neg. energy" particle as "antimatter." }

As you guessed, (hypothetical) matter with a negative energy density is not called anti-matter. Sometimes it's called exotic matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_matter
 

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