Find X-Intercept of y=atan(b(x-c))+d in Radians

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The discussion revolves around finding the x-intercept of the function y = a*tan(b(x - c)) + d in radians, particularly when d is not equal to zero. Participants are exploring how to express the x-intercept in exact radian form and the implications of the parameters a, b, c, and d on the function's behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the general method of setting y to zero to find x-intercepts and express concerns about obtaining exact values in radian form. There are mentions of using arctangent and algebraic manipulation to derive x in terms of the parameters. Some participants question the feasibility of obtaining neat answers and consider graphing as an alternative approach.

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The discussion is active, with various participants offering insights and clarifications regarding the equation and its parameters. There is a recognition of potential confusion between atan and arctan, and some algebraic expressions have been proposed. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution.

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Participants note the challenge of finding exact values in radian form and the potential need for graphing to estimate solutions. There is also a mention of the importance of correctly interpreting the equation's parameters and their effects on the function.

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the tan graph is in the form y=atan(b(x-c))+d how do you determine the "EXACT" x-intercept of this graph in radian form when the d value does not equal 0 and is there a formula for finding the x-intercept when given the equation in the form above using the values of a,b,c and d which control the vertical/horizontal stretch/shift
 
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same way you get the zeros for any function: let y=0.
 
whoops i need to edit it i mean as an exact value in radian form like pi/2 for example
 
yourmom98 said:
whoops i need to edit it i mean as an exact value in radian form like pi/2 for example

well, in general, your answer is just going to have to be left in terms of arctangents, multiplied by some factor and then added to by another factor.

neat answers like pi/2 only come up only in special situations, unfortunately!
 
yourmom98 said:
whoops i need to edit it i mean as an exact value in radian form like pi/2 for example

and my mom is NOT 98! :mad:




:-p
 
okay so there are not going to be neat answers so is my only way to get a estimated answer in radian to graph it using a calculator and then trace the zeros? or is there a way to determine it without graphing?
 
You need to take the equation

[tex]\arctan (b (x - c)) + d = 0[/tex]

and solve it for [itex]x[/itex], that is, rearrange it into the form

[tex]x = something[/tex]

Then plug in whatever values you have for [itex]b[/itex], [itex]c[/itex], and [itex]d[/itex]. Where do you get stuck when you try to do this?
 
jtbell said:
You need to take the equation

[tex]\arctan (b (x - c)) + d = 0[/tex]

and solve it for [itex]x[/itex], that is, rearrange it into the form

[tex]x = something[/tex]

Then plug in whatever values you have for [itex]b[/itex], [itex]c[/itex], and [itex]d[/itex]. Where do you get stuck when you try to do this?

that wasn't his equation.

it was a*tan(b(x-c) + d.

"a" is a stretching/shrinking factor. (i guess it's that there are only two missing letters between atan and arctan and the fact that i mentioned arctan that led you to this.)
 
some simple algebra says: [tex]x=\frac{\tan^{-1}(-\frac{d}{a})}{b}+c[/tex]
 
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yourdadonapogostick said:
some simple algebra says: [tex]x=\frac{\tan^{-1}(-\frac{d}{a})}{b}-c[/tex]

"+c," right?
 
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Brad Barker said:
that wasn't his equation.

it was a*tan(b(x-c) + d.

"a" is a stretching/shrinking factor. (i guess it's that there are only two missing letters between atan and arctan and the fact that i mentioned arctan that led you to this.)

Oops. I've done too much computer programming in languages that call the arctangent function "atan". :blushing:
 
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yea it +c not -c so this gets me the so therefore i can now just like add or substract another period to this answer to get another x-intercept rite?

thx everyone :smile:
 
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Brad Barker said:
"+c," right?
yea, oops. maybe i should proofread before i submit
 

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