Trigonometry slope problem .

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to prevent a 2000 lb car from rolling down a 30-degree ramp using trigonometric principles. Participants explore the application of trigonometry in this context, including considerations of friction and the correct use of weight versus mass.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the equation x=2000cos 30 to calculate the force, but questions arise about the appropriateness of using cosine in this context.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of identifying the correct trigonometric function for the force parallel to the slope and mentions the need to consider the coefficient of friction if applicable.
  • A third participant calculates the force exerted by gravity down the ramp as 1000 lb, assuming a frictionless ramp, and discusses the implications of friction on the required force to prevent rolling.
  • There is a mention of using a free-body diagram to clarify the forces involved, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the terminology and concepts used.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the meaning of "lb" as a unit of weight, which is relevant to the discussion of forces.

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Participants express differing views on the correct trigonometric functions to use and the role of friction in the problem. There is no consensus on the best approach or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the need for a clear understanding of the definitions of weight and mass, as well as the assumptions regarding friction in the calculations. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the concepts involved.

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I am really stumped! Using only Trigonometry, I am suppose to calculate the amount of force that is needed to keep a 2000 lb car from rolling down a ramp of 30 degrees.

Am I on the right track when I say: x=2000cos 30? Then what?
 
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Well the basic idea is good but I don't know how you came up with cos. If you look at a scetch you should be abel to find the right function for the force perralel to the slope. And just a small hint when your searching for a force it's usually a good idea to use weight instead of mass (I'm not very good at non-metric units soo I don't really know wheater lb steands for mass or weight).

Hope this helps.

PS. Maybe this thread would be more sutible for the Science Education Zone.
 
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Hmm...what is the coefficient of friction between the tires and the incline?

Assuming the ramp is frictionless, your "force" must contain a component parallel to the ramp, with magnitude:

[tex]F = \left( {2000 \, {\text{lb}}} \right)\sin \frac{\pi }{6} = 1000\,{\text{lb}}[/tex]

Basically, gravity will exert 1000 lb down the ramp. To keep the car from rolling down, you must exert a force of 1000 lb UP the ramp (parallel to the ramp, antiparallel to the component of weight parallel to the ramp).

However, if you do have friction, then to prevent rolling down the ramp (NOT skidding!), you must find the coefficient of 'static' friction between the tires and the ramp. Now, let [itex]\mu _S[/itex] represent this value. Thus, the force needed to prevent the car from rolling down is:

[tex]F = 2000\,{\text{lb}}\left( {\sin \frac{\pi }{6} - \mu _S \cos \frac{\pi }{6}} \right) = 1000\,{\text{lb}}\left( {1 - \mu _S \sqrt 3 } \right)[/tex]

**In the direction antiparallel to the weight component parallel to the ramp.

Well the basic idea is good but I don't know how you came up with cos. If you look at a scetch you should be abel to find the right function for the force perralel to the slope. And just a small hint when your searching for a force it's usually a good idea to use weight instead of mass (I'm not very good at non-metric units soo I don't really know wheater lb steands for mass or weight).
:smile: What basic idea? Also, by "sketch", do you mean a free-body diagram?
Anyway, those are always helpful (Unless you're in a pinch for time!...or the problem is just basic).
Also "lb" stands for pounds, which are a customary unit of weight, I believe, according to
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lb
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pound
 
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Thanks for the explanation.
 

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