I nominate these people for the Darwin award

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The discussion revolves around the tragic death of a teenager reportedly due to the "pass-out game," raising questions about parental awareness, responsibility, and societal implications of such risky behaviors. Participants explore the circumstances surrounding the incident, the reactions of the parents, and broader themes of youth behavior and negligence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express shock at the idea of the "pass-out game" and question the decision-making of both the teenager and her parents.
  • Others speculate about the parents' knowledge of their daughter's behavior, with some suggesting they may have been negligent or unaware of the risks involved.
  • A few participants draw parallels between this incident and other risky behaviors exhibited by youth, questioning societal norms and parental oversight.
  • Some argue that the parents should face legal consequences for neglect, while others defend the parents, suggesting they may not have been aware of the situation.
  • There are conflicting views on whether the parents' statements about their daughter's history with the game are consistent or indicative of dishonesty.
  • Some participants express a desire for fewer children or parents, linking this incident to broader concerns about societal responsibility and parenting.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that choking could be related to autoerotic asphyxiation, prompting further discussion on the motivations behind such behaviors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on parental responsibility, the nature of the behavior, and the implications of the incident. Disagreement persists regarding the interpretation of the parents' statements and the societal context of such risky behaviors.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the details of the case, including the timeline of the teenager's behavior and the parents' awareness of it. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about youth behavior and parental oversight without definitive conclusions.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165950,00.html

LAWRENCE, Kan. — A teenager found hanging from a dresser drawer with a coated bicycle chain lock around her neck apparently died while playing the "pass-out game (search)," the girl's parents said.
 
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Sounds like a fun game.

"Hey man, I have an idea!"
"Whats that?"
"Choke me until no air is getting in or out of my lungs and I turn blue and go limp. Then try waking me up!"
"WOW! Why didn't I think of that? But you have to promise to choke me after I wake you up ok?"
"Deal. WAIT! Why don't we use a bike lock so that we can both do it at the same time!"
"AWESOME! Hopefully your mom wakes us up for dinner."

I don't know about you guys but I know what I'm doing tomorrow! :eek: :eek:
 
rocketboy said:
I don't know about you guys but I know what I'm doing tomorrow! :eek: :eek:

Me too! How exciting!

*grabs some rope* This'll be the funnest time I've ever had. No wonder people were always being hung in the West! They were smart
 
Wait, that was in Kansas; they don't believe in Darwin there. :rolleyes: That seems to explain a lot, doesn't it?
 
Pengwuino said:
LAWRENCE, Kan.

And the Kansas people didn't believe in natural selection...

edit: Moonbear beat me to it by ten seconds. :cry:
 
rachmaninoff said:
And the Kansas people didn't believe in natural selection...

edit: Moonbear beat me to it by ten seconds. :cry:

Well they can't even survive their own body parts... if they didnt sufficate, I am sure a parked car was goign to do it soon enough.
 
Wait, the father said ""She had a history of playing this game," AND HE WAS OK WITH THAT? He didn't do anything about her mental problem? And he hasn't been arrested for neglect? She was 15.

"Tim Wilson said his daughter did not commit suicide. He said the family has reason to believe Kimberly had played the choking game for at least a year, maybe two.

"She had a history of playing this game," Wilson said. "Her death was accidental."

What is this world coming to? :confused: Why haven't the parents been arrested for negligent homicide?
 
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Evo said:
Wait, the father said ""She had a history of playing this game," AND HE WAS OK WITH THAT? He didn't do anything about her mental problem? And he hasn't been arrested for neglect?

What is this world coming to? :confused:
That's like those kids who were jumping between a gap on a parking garage (or maybe it was between two parking garages...can't recall) and died when they fell, and the parents wanted to sue the owner of the garage for not putting up high enough fencing around the garage. The kids didn't just fall over the edge, they climbed up and jumped! Why were kids allowed to play in a parking garage in the first place?
 
We need less kids in this world. I am worried that some kid might smash his head with my car to get high and ill get sued :(
 
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Evo said:
"Tim Wilson said his daughter did not commit suicide. He said the family has reason to believe Kimberly had played the choking game for at least a year, maybe two.

"She had a history of playing this game," Wilson said. "Her death was accidental."

You know, that's not entirely consistent with what they said at the beginning of the article:
"We are very close to our children, and we did not know this was going on," Tim Wilson said Monday. "There were no outward signs. This isn't like drugs or alcohol use, which a parent should be able to detect.

So, did they or didn't they know this was going on? You'd think choking herself would show up as pretty visible, telltale bruising around her neck if she was doing this for a long time.
 
  • #11
Pengwuino said:
We need less kids in this world. I am worried that some kid might smash his head with my car to get high and ill get sued :(
Sounds like we need less parents of the kids.
 
  • #12
Evo said:
Sounds like we need less parents of the kids.

Yah that'll solve 2 problems. No stupid parents, and no stupid kids. I think these people are the ultimate argument for abortions
 
  • #13
Moonbear said:
You know, that's not entirely consistent with what they said at the beginning of the article:

"Tim Wilson:"We are very close to our children, and we did not know this was going on," Tim Wilson said Monday. "There were no outward signs. This isn't like drugs or alcohol use, which a parent should be able to detect."

Then...

"Tim Wilson said his daughter did not commit suicide. He said the family has reason to believe Kimberly had played the choking game for at least a year, maybe two.

"She had a history of playing this game," Wilson said. "Her death was accidental."
Good catch, these people seem to be lying through their teeth.
 
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ha, if your able to detect alcohol on your kids breath, I think you should be able to detect your kid choking themselves on purpose...
 
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Evo said:
Good catch, these people seem to be lying through their teeth.
I can't be certain if they are or not. It's possible they only found out after she died that she had been doing it so long, such as through friends or classmates of hers. But, they still had to be lousy parents to have been that oblivious of such behavior or just to have raised a kid who doesn't have the sense not to choke herself. :confused:
 
  • #16
Evo said:
Good catch, these people seem to be lying through their teeth.
I was under the impression that what they meant was that they didn't know at the time, but they now figure she was doing it for about a year without their knowledge. But I'm too lazy to read it again, you tell me.
 
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How would they have known how long she had been doing it? Maybe they asked a friend about it after.
 
  • #18
Moonbear said:
I can't be certain if they are or not. It's possible they only found out after she died that she had been doing it so long, such as through friends or classmates of hers. But, they still had to be lousy parents to have been that oblivious of such behavior or just to have raised a kid who doesn't have the sense not to choke herself. :confused:
Well after all those years of choking she probably had some brain damage from oxygen starvation, and then the pain receptors were all gone you know... I remember the days whe choking myself HURT! Kids these day's have to guts. Little punks.
 
  • #19
Moonbear said:
I can't be certain if they are or not. It's possible they only found out after she died that she had been doing it so long, such as through friends or classmates of hers. But, they still had to be lousy parents to have been that oblivious of such behavior or just to have raised a kid who doesn't have the sense not to choke herself. :confused:
Sometimes things are quoted out of context, but I can't imagine a parent not being horrified to learn that their 15 year old had been doing this since they were 13. He didn't seem to be suprised at all. I live near these people, BTW.
 
  • #20
This is unrelated to the death of a boy from autoerotic asphyxiation? I wasn't aware that people choked themselves without also trying to achieve orgasm.
 
  • #21
Evo said:
Sometimes things are quoted out of context, but I can't imagine a parent not being horrified to learn that their 15 year old had been doing this since they were 13. He didn't seem to be suprised at all. I live near these people, BTW.
:smile: :smile: :smile:
Oh.. sorry...

Don't worry, I'll sweep you away soon enough (just let me grow up first)
 
  • #22
Smurf said:
I was under the impression that what they meant was that they didn't know at the time, but they now figure she was doing it for about a year without their knowledge. But I'm too lazy to read it again, you tell me.
You really can't tell from the way it's written. But, as Pengwuino pointed out, they don't seem to have any trouble pointing an accusatory finger at the parents of kids who abuse alcohol and drugs while denying their responsibility for this one. I would think it would be easier to hide signs of alcohol and some drug abuse, especially if you don't come home drunk or high, than evidence of choking yourself. If my kid was suddenly wearing turtlenecks all summer and had bruises all around her neck, my first guess probably wouldn't be that she was choking herself, but I'd sure think something was wrong (I'd probably have been thinking she had an abusive boyfriend she was hiding from me or something like that, but no matter what, she'd be in counseling).
 
  • #23
The moral of the story being: teach kids that drugs and alcohol are bad, and they'll hang themselves.
 
  • #24
Smurf said:
Don't worry, I'll sweep you away soon enough (just let me grow up first)
I'll be standing on the front porch holding a flashlight. Uhm. Will you be long dear? Should I pack a lunch?
 
  • #25
Berislav said:
The moral of the story being: teach kids that drugs and alcohol are bad, and they'll hang themselves.

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #26
Moonbear said:
You really can't tell from the way it's written. But, as Pengwuino pointed out, they don't seem to have any trouble pointing an accusatory finger at the parents of kids who abuse alcohol and drugs while denying their responsibility for this one. I would think it would be easier to hide signs of alcohol and some drug abuse, especially if you don't come home drunk or high, than evidence of choking yourself. If my kid was suddenly wearing turtlenecks all summer and had bruises all around her neck, my first guess probably wouldn't be that she was choking herself, but I'd sure think something was wrong (I'd probably have been thinking she had an abusive boyfriend she was hiding from me or something like that, but no matter what, she'd be in counseling).
I just have the gut feeling more went on here than the parents are telling (as far as what they knew). Unfortunately, my gut feelings are always right. :frown:
 
  • #27
Evo said:
I just have the gut feeling more went on here than the parents are telling (as far as what they knew). Unfortunately, my gut feelings are always right. :frown:
Yeah, that's what my gut is telling me too. The biggest sign of course is that children growing up in normal, healthy homes with parents who really are "close" to them just don't decide choking themselves is a form of entertainment, at least not unless she was also abusing drugs or alcohol.
 
  • #28
Moonbear said:
Yeah, that's what my gut is telling me too. The biggest sign of course is that children growing up in normal, healthy homes with parents who really are "close" to them just don't decide choking themselves is a form of entertainment, at least not unless she was also abusing drugs or alcohol.

Well kids can be pretty stupid these days :-/. And supposedly its been going on a lot aroudn the county.

Tami Radohl, a Bert Nash Community Mental Health Center counselor at Southwest Junior High School in Lawrence, said the behavior is not uncommon.

"This is going on in every junior high in Lawrence," Radohl said.
 
  • #29
Moonbear said:
Yeah, that's what my gut is telling me too. The biggest sign of course is that children growing up in normal, healthy homes with parents who really are "close" to them just don't decide choking themselves is a form of entertainment, at least not unless she was also abusing drugs or alcohol.
If a teen is that troubled, the parents should have a clue, if they are truly as "close" as this guy says they were. :rolleyes: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, as the old saying goes.
 
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  • #30
Intelligent design?

Moonbear said:
Wait, that was in Kansas; they don't believe in Darwin there. :rolleyes: That seems to explain a lot, doesn't it?

I was going to say that they are the definitive refutation of intelligent design - but I decided to remain silent! :wink:
 

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