Philosophy in The Elegant Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the philosophical themes present in Brian Greene's book, The Elegant Universe, as well as the appropriateness of using it as an independent reading assignment in a Literature and Philosophy class. Participants explore the intersection of science and philosophy, particularly in the context of string theory and its implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Einstein's belief in the beauty of his theory of general relativity serves as a philosophical example from the book.
  • Another participant argues that The Elegant Universe is not a novel but rather a work of nonfiction focused on science popularization.
  • A different participant suggests that Greene's other work, The Fabric of the Cosmos, may contain more philosophical content than The Elegant Universe.
  • There is a comparison made between string theory's indivisible strings and the atomism of Democritus and Leucippus.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the book's popularity despite the general public's limited interest in science literature.
  • Another participant shares their experience of ordering The Fabric of the Cosmos and expresses a desire to complete both books for future projects.
  • There is a discussion about the categorization of the thread, with some participants questioning whether it belongs in a homework section.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether The Elegant Universe is suitable for the class or if it is more philosophical than Greene's other works. There are varying opinions on the nature of the book and its classification as a novel or nonfiction.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the philosophical depth of The Elegant Universe compared to other works, and there is a recognition of the challenges in engaging with complex scientific literature.

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I have convinced my english teacher to let me use The Elegant Universe as an independent reading novel for my Literature and Philosophy class. (As a sidenote, this is really exciting to me because now my entire day (except for band) is science/math: AP Chem, teacher's assistant during AP Chem second hour, Lit and Philosophy, AP Calculus, AP Physics)

Now all i need is some examples of philosophy in the book :wink:

I've got at least one:

aesthetic: einstein more or less knew his theory of general relativity was correct because of its beauty

any other contributions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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BTW, although there are some who might agree with the description of The Elegant Universe as a novel, it isn't really intended to be one. :biggrin: A novel is a piece of book-length fiction. Elegant Universe is nonfiction - science popularization.
 
I considered Greene's The Fabric of the Cosmos to be more philosophical than The Elegant Universe. Is there any reason why you couldn't use that book instead?
 
String theorists' contention that there are indivisible strings is comparable to the atomism of Democritus and Leucippus. Shouldn't this be in the homework section?
 
one of the reasons i was kind of excited about getting to use the book for an independent novel is because it isn't really a novel...exactly as you put it, selfAdjoint. i wonder how the book can be a national bestseller though when a very small percentage of the world cares about science, an even smaller percent buys science books, and very few have the patience and time to read such a difficult book (compared to harry potter etc, not necessarily other science "novels").

Chronon, i went to Barnes and Nobel today to buy the fabric... and they didn't have a hardcover (i want it to match my other Greene book). they ordered it for me and i will have it on wednesday. the only problem will be finishing it in time. i am 85% sure i will have another independent reading project next quarter, so i could do BOTH (assuming my teacher likes what i do with my first project).

skomatth, i see your point about hw, but from what i recall, the homework forum is more like "how do i solve this calculus problem." i'd much rather go straight to the source, but i wouldn't be too mad if an admin moved the thread. i will check out Democritus and Leucippus once we really get started in class.

i would appreciate further examples...

thank you all.
 
Jeremy said:
(As a sidenote, this is really exciting to me because now my entire day (except for band) is science/math: AP Chem, teacher's assistant during AP Chem second hour, Lit and Philosophy, AP Calculus, AP Physics)

Nothing like expanding your mind and getting a broad education, eh?

Note: I realize that, to get anywhere in the scientific world, one must be narrow and focused, so I say this somewhat facetiously.
 
loseyourname said:
Nothing like expanding your mind and getting a broad education, eh?

Note: I realize that, to get anywhere in the scientific world, one must be narrow and focused, so I say this somewhat facetiously.

I have actually taken social studies/history all four years. this year, however, i took government for four hours a day over the summer so i could make room for AP chem II. little did i know, french 4 was the same hour as AP physics II, and we see which won that battle. Next semester Lit and Philosophy is replaced by Shakespeare. Even though i tout the science i get to do in Philosophy this semester, I still have to write 4 papers a quarter and have to read confusing Plato.

so that's my story.

more examples please.
 

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